PurSleep gone for now & why I did what I did

http://www.sphericalcow.net/why_sphericalcow.htm#joke

The Joke That Started it All:

The USDA once wanted to make cows produce milk faster, to improve the dairy industry. So, they decided to consult the foremost biologists and recombinant DNA technicians to build them a better cow. They assembled this team of great scientists, and gave them unlimited funding. They requested rare chemicals, weird bacteria, tons of quarantine equipment, there was a horrible typhus epidemic they started by accident, and, 2 years later, they came back with the "new, improved cow." It had a milk production improvement of 2% over the original.
They then tried with the greatest Nobel Prize winning chemists around. They worked for six months, and, after requisitioning tons of chemical equipment, and poisoning half the small town in Colorado where they were working with a toxic cloud from one of their experiments, they got a 5% improvement in milk output.
The physicists tried for a year, and, after ten thousand cows were subjected to radiation therapy, they got a 1% improvement in output.
Finally, in desperation, they turned to the mathematicians. The foremost mathematician of his time offered to help them with the problem. Upon hearing the problem, he told the delegation that they could come back in the morning and he would have solved the problem. In the morning, they came back, and he handed them a piece of paper with the computations for the new, 300% improved milk cow.
The plans began: "A Proof of the Attainability of Increased Milk Output from Bovines: Consider a spherical cow......"

credit for this version of the joke: http://saullular.tripod.com/cow/

hey bookwrm63, mary, you get to be kelly ripka, how lucky, all those kids and still a great shape!!!! you even get to simper over regis pat

Hey Sleepguy,

People here have expressed concerns about inhaling the essential oils all night long. But.... what if you made a device like the current one, except with a timer, rather like a "sleep timer" on bedroom televisions?

Before you go to sleep, you set the timer (dial, digital, whatever). The EO cotton pad is in the circuit for that length of time, and then after the timer expires, it's taken out of the circuit and regular air goes to the user (presumably once he's asleep), for the rest of the night.

If EO's purported beneficial effects are mostly in play when the user is awake (as I suspect might be the case), wouldn't this be a great idea?

There could even be a button the user could hit if he awakened during the night, rather like the "ramp" button folks can hit at anytime if they wish. Maybe each press of this button would put the EO pad back into the circuit for, say, 20 minutes.

When not in the circuit, the EO pad could be in an airtight (or nearly so) chamber to preserve its strength.

Benefits:

1. far less EO vapors inhaled (thus, far less possible health concerns)

2. far less EO used, far less expense for user

3. if "holding chamber" is airtight or nearly so, user would only have to reload the EO every few nights, maybe even only once a week!

As for the design of the actual device, I haven't thought much about how to accomplish it physically.... but I can think it over, and I'm sure you're quite clever and can think up some good ways on your own.

Just a suggestion!

Anonymous wrote:Hey Sleepguy,

People here have expressed concerns about inhaling the essential oils all night long. But.... what if you made a device like the current one, except with a timer, rather like a "sleep timer" on bedroom televisions?

Before you go to sleep, you set the timer (dial, digital, whatever). The EO cotton pad is in the circuit for that length of time, and then after the timer expires, it's taken out of the circuit and regular air goes to the user (presumably once he's asleep), for the rest of the night.

If EO's purported beneficial effects are mostly in play when the user is awake (as I suspect might be the case), wouldn't this be a great idea?

There could even be a button the user could hit if he awakened during the night, rather like the "ramp" button folks can hit at anytime if they wish. Maybe each press of this button would put the EO pad back into the circuit for, say, 20 minutes.

When not in the circuit, the EO pad could be in an airtight (or nearly so) chamber to preserve its strength.

Benefits:

1. far less EO vapors inhaled (thus, far less possible health concerns)

2. far less EO used, far less expense for user

3. if "holding chamber" is airtight or nearly so, user would only have to reload the EO every few nights, maybe even only once a week!

As for the design of the actual device, I haven't thought much about how to accomplish it physically.... but I can think it over, and I'm sure you're quite clever and can think up some good ways on your own.

Just a suggestion!

I'd rather have a button on the diffuser that you could press and it would automatically pay all of my monthly bills without draining my bank account

... that way I could sleep much more sound each night

... just a suggestion

Hey Roberto,

Let me know when you get that idea into production will you?

I've been a bit busy and haven't been reading the threads, it looks like I've missed a fair bit. Good for you Bret, for being proactive, and listening to all the feedback, I hope all goes well with the testing and you can get back into production, I love your product. Long term, people will respect you and your product far more for being thorough, and taking this step. Please let us all know the results.

Good luck

Peter

Just wondereing if the new research will take into consideration those who have asthma or COPD as well as OSA? Would none, some or all of the fragrances be safe for people with additional respiratory conditions?

Brett, would it work to put the lavender on the air filter on the CPAP intake?

If the FDA still wants to get involved in licensing that, could you make a thingy that sprays lavender across, but not touching the air input?

By the way, if anyone has some essential oils, could they put a drop on the air filter and tell me if it works? If it does, then all I need to do is to buy essential oils?

dsm, are you willing to risk life and limb again and be another CPAPtalk guinea pig and report on this idea ?

John M

I think the whole idea of Pur Sleep with the diffuser was to not drag the oils through the motor. We'll see what happens with it all though.

[quote="Anonymous"]Brett, would it work to put the lavender on the air filter on the CPAP intake?

If the FDA still wants to get involved in licensing that, could you make a thingy that sprays lavender across, but not touching the air input?

By the way, if anyone has some essential oils, could they put a drop on the air filter and tell me if it works? If it does, then all I need to do is to buy essential oils?

dsm, are you willing to risk life and limb again and be another CPAPtalk guinea pig and report on this idea ?

John M

dsm wrote:Jeeze mate - I dunno, not shure me nerves can take another stressful trial like that last one. I mean to say - sleeping like a baby to the heavenly smell of such delightful scents - there's just so much o that kind a pressure a man can endure

If there's too much pressure, you can always have your helpful DME reduce it for you.

Hmm..

I bought the Pur-Sleep system. I'm a very blunt person when it comes to reviews and comments, but hopefully some can see through that.

It did nothing for my sleep apnea... then again neither does the cpap machine... I bought every scent he sells and didnt like any of them.. could only tolerate the orange. The method of unscrewing the two halves, while twisting up your hose and having to turn on lights while ur significant other is sleeping is just really poorly designed.

But..

I saw nothing to think it was anything more than advertised.. it surely isnt a chemical timebomb waiting to kill all of our cattle.. jesus how did you possibly come to that analogy? wow...

I would love to see a redesign. I like the idea, and i think it was well built, but i think the execution is flawed. Cotton swabs and spikes is bad. screw-seal is bad. i'd like to see a hinged unit with quality clips to keep it closed. we aren't talking 4500 PSI here like my paintball tanks.. so i dont think the wicked threads are necessary. i also think that swapping cotton every night is a pain.

Perhaps im the only one but i lay down at night, often times my g/f is sleeping, and i reach over, grab the mask and put it on. there isnt alot of time, light, or consciousness to unscrew the darn thing, grab a fresh cotton cylinder, stick it to a spike, unscrew an oil jar, hope you only dripped 3 drops on it, close the jar, put the cotton cylinder in the unit, and re-screw on the other side...

Perhaps this isnt the best place for this conversation, but just thought i'd share my experiences.

In all of my failed attempts to like this "device" i never once thought it was harmful.. jeeze the remstar air filters blocked so much of my airflow i had to take those off, and yet people complain about the open designed scent thing... uhhh.. misplaced anger?

meh.. This isn't at all personal, but he's a very nice guy and i feel he sells a good product, eventhough i couldnt get it to work for me i still think he did a good job for a first run. I've got some product design experience and i know how much of a PITA it can be getting from concept to final.

I guess every product will have its nay sayers.. and honestly.. he isnt exactly handling the concerns like comcast.. hes actually responding, checking into it, and spending alot of his cash to get it RE-certified to appease peoples concerns.

To the original poster: you act as though you have never dealt with bad customer service before.. MOST OF THE TIME THEY DON'T EVEN POST ON FORUMS... yet you complain he doesnt respond well enough.... most of the time they barely answer the phone... hell, i've purchased software before and if you didn't re-purchase the subscription at the yearly fee of 1200 dollars they didn't even let you post on the company forums or request tech support.. You need to step back and really re-think your concerns, and are they even YOUR concerns or just another product to place your obvious lack of employment time to? I think the only reason you are pursuing this is because its so easy to do so. its simple to post on forums. if he didnt post here, and the only method of contact was by phone i hardly bet that you would even waste the time to call. THAT is what annoys me about reading this thread.

Maybe im just having a bad day and read that how i wanted. it happens.