High respiratory rate and weird breathing

Imgur link with OSCAR data screenshot: https://imgur.com/a/6jEujGQ

Hi,

I keep seeing these weird breaths in my OSCAR reports. Someone on reddit suggested cardiogenic oscillations. Are they something to worry about? They happen pretty much every single night in episodes.

I'm absolutely going to talk to the sleep specialist about it in october when the appointment is booked. Just wanted to ask about it here until then, it worries me a bit.

And also, my respiratory rate seems a bit high right? Or is it normal?

Sorry if this is written a bit messy.

Your median respiratory rate is 13.6. This is normal.

If you want to post the full-night RR line, we could possibly make some more comments. In the meantime, there is nothing that should alarm you about the RR.

Why don't you post a couple of Oscar reports and circle whatever seems weird, then experts here can see them and comment.

ChicagoGranny wrote: ↑

Sun Aug 20, 2023 3:37 pm

Your median respiratory rate is 13.6. This is normal.

If you want to post the full-night RR line, we could possibly make some more comments. In the meantime, there is nothing that should alarm you about the RR.

Thank you. It's good to hear that the breathing rate is okay. I still don't quite get what the 95% mean. Does it mean that 95% of the time the breathing rate is at that, or below that value?

Julie wrote: ↑

Sun Aug 20, 2023 4:41 pm

Why don't you post a couple of Oscar reports and circle whatever seems weird, then experts here can see them and comment.

I honestly think I'm going to let it be as it is until the appointment. I'm getting a bit too stressed out about the data.

The breaths just looks a bit jagged, like waves on top of each inhalation.

SlothInAMoth wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 21, 2023 2:19 pm

Does it mean that 95% of the time the breathing rate is at that, or below that value?

Yes. If you woke up and went to the restroom, your breathing rate is going to be in the other 5%. Same if you rolled around in bed a bit.

95 % numbers of anything (pressure, leak, respiration rate, whatever) just means you were AT OR BELOW that number for 95% of the night.
The OR BELOW part is really important.
It does NOT mean your number means you were at that rate for 95% of the night.

The median average number is more indicative of how things went for the bulk of the night.

95% numbers of anything are too easily skewed to the high side by just a small amount at the higher rate to be all that important in the grand scheme of things.

While I haven't had much of a higher respiration rate I have had 95% leak numbers that make things out a whole lot worse than they are.
I have examples as to leak numbers in this thread and you can see what I mean.
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=108724&p=1036669&hi ... t#p1036669

SlothInAMoth wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 21, 2023 2:19 pm

I still don't quite get what the 95% mean. Does it mean that 95% of the time the breathing rate is at that, or below that value?

http://adventures-in-hosehead-land.blog ... de-to.html

I am puzzled by the flow rate in the snippet you posted, and I'm hoping some experts will take a look. I do see what appears to be cardioballistic (cardiogenic) effects (artifacts) in the small oscillations around the zero line. But I'm skeptical whether the "double inhalations" reflect your heartbeat. They might reflect flow limitations, though they're quite exaggerated if that's what they are. How much of the night do they go on?

I think you need to load up the entire night to SleepHQ to get a better idea of the source of the oscillations.

However, IMO that's palatal interference, based on how the inspiratory limb gets pretty much destroyed (airway FL) and anyway CBA is usually much less (if at all) apparent on inspiration.



That said, the oscillations occur at a rate of ~78/minute-- about the same as a resting heart rate (of someone who should be doing more aerobic exercise) so there could be a little CBA in there.

Pugsy wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 21, 2023 3:35 pm

95 % numbers of anything (pressure, leak, respiration rate, whatever) just means you were AT OR BELOW that number for 95% of the night.
The OR BELOW part is really important.
It does NOT mean your number means you were at that rate for 95% of the night.

Thank you, you explained it really well. I get it now!

Miss Emerita wrote: ↑

Tue Aug 22, 2023 10:34 am

I am puzzled by the flow rate in the snippet you posted, and I'm hoping some experts will take a look. I do see what appears to be cardioballistic (cardiogenic) effects (artifacts) in the small oscillations around the zero line. But I'm skeptical whether the "double inhalations" reflect your heartbeat. They might reflect flow limitations, though they're quite exaggerated if that's what they are. How much of the night do they go on?

I'm a bit confused by them too. My average heart rate during the night seem to be quite high. Between 77-78 bpm. I'm a tiny lady, work out quite a few days a week, have a bmi at the lower end of normal. So no weight-related breathing blockage.

Anxiety is something I've struggled with for years. Maybe that could be the reason for a high bpm?

I'll see if I can post a better overview of that night later.

Rubicon wrote: ↑

Tue Aug 22, 2023 11:17 am

I think you need to load up the entire night to SleepHQ to get a better idea of the source of the oscillations.

However, IMO that's palatal interference, based on how the inspiratory limb gets pretty much destroyed (airway FL) and anyway CBA is usually much less (if at all) apparent on inspiration.



That said, the oscillations occur at a rate of ~78/minute-- about the same as a resting heart rate (of someone who should be doing more aerobic exercise) so there could be a little CBA in there.

Is sleepHQ easier to interpret than OSCAR?

I'll go ahead and post a screenshot with a better overview later.

77-78 bpm seem to be my average heart rate during the night. Might have to do with anxiety which I have.
I'm actually really physically active, do running and weights and my bmi is at the lower end of normal. So no weight-related sleep issues.

SlothInAMoth wrote: ↑

Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:18 am

Is sleepHQ easier to interpret than OSCAR?

from what i can gather (and i may be wrong) the advantage of sleephq is that after you post it, someone else looking at the chart can zoom in to see certain aspects. with oscar, you are the only one that can zoom in.

zonker wrote: ↑

Wed Aug 23, 2023 11:44 am

from what i can gather (and i may be wrong) the advantage of sleephq is that after you post it, someone else looking at the chart can zoom in to see certain aspects. with oscar, you are the only one that can zoom in.

That's great! I wish OSCAR had the same function. I'll check out SleepHQ and see if I can post it here.

Here is a link to one night:
https://sleephq.com/public/b80ef2fd-e60 ... 8d97b07c55

I had to click "show advanced charts" in order to view the data!