I have a question. I've been waking up with my lips and mouth dry as I open my mouth during my sleep. I started with my hunidifier on the setting of 2, I was dry, raised it to 3, same thing, I ended up with it on 4 and I was still waking up needing water I was so dry.
The air doesn't seem any warmer however witht he different settings, should it?
Should air be warm when humidifier is up
I also thought the same as you a while back. Still have dry mouth(swig of water fixes it). I actually stuck my finger in the humidifier and IT WAS WARM. Air isn't cold but it isn't overly warm either-somewhere in the middle. I have a fleece hose cover-this may help a bit and it's a way to give your machine a bit of your personality.I thought of buying an Aussie Heated Hose but I don't have any issues with rainout so I'm still undecided if I want to spend the $100.
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Check the water level before and after!!!!
I have my humidifier on the next to highest setting. I fill it to the max line (1400 milliliters) at bedtime and there is only about 200 ml left the next morning.
The objective of a heated humidifier is to get the water out of the humidifier tank into the air that reaches your air passages.
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I have my humidifier on the next to highest setting. I fill it to the max line (1400 milliliters) at bedtime and there is only about 200 ml left the next morning.
The objective of a heated humidifier is to get the water out of the humidifier tank into the air that reaches your air passages.
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Last edited by roster on Sun Apr 01, 2007 6:06 am, edited 1 time in total.
Yes, if water level drops, your humidifier is working. It's not like it's a steam bath, but enough moisture is added to make breathing a little easier.
If you open your mouth or lips and let any air pass thru under cpap pressure, you will still get dry mouth, no matter how high the setting on the humidifier.
If you open your mouth or lips and let any air pass thru under cpap pressure, you will still get dry mouth, no matter how high the setting on the humidifier.
The heated humidifier only increases/decreases the moisture in the air, it is not meant to "warm" the incoming air. If you crank it up so it performs that you will most likely end up with rainout. Rainout is where water droplets form in the mask/hose and when they hit you they can wake you up.
If the ambient temperature in your room is cold, try the Aussie heated hose, it will warm the incoming air so you don't have to turn your humidifier up too high.
If you turn your humidifier up too high it can lead to nasal congestion if you get too much. That is the function of your turbinate tissue to regulate the temperature and moisture entering your lungs. When you go on cpap you override that normal function to the point where it dries out the nasal tissue, adding humidification restores that function.
Don Fischer and his staff at SleepZone are great to deal with:
http://www.sleepzone.com.au/index.html
Order it and it takes about a week to show up via US Mail.
As for dry mouth and lips, put a bottle of water next to your bed for the first month or so you eventually get used to it. BIOTENE mouthwash helps with the dry mouth.
If the ambient temperature in your room is cold, try the Aussie heated hose, it will warm the incoming air so you don't have to turn your humidifier up too high.
If you turn your humidifier up too high it can lead to nasal congestion if you get too much. That is the function of your turbinate tissue to regulate the temperature and moisture entering your lungs. When you go on cpap you override that normal function to the point where it dries out the nasal tissue, adding humidification restores that function.
Don Fischer and his staff at SleepZone are great to deal with:
http://www.sleepzone.com.au/index.html
Order it and it takes about a week to show up via US Mail.
As for dry mouth and lips, put a bottle of water next to your bed for the first month or so you eventually get used to it. BIOTENE mouthwash helps with the dry mouth.
someday science will catch up to what I'm saying...
Snoredog,Snoredog wrote:..............If you turn your humidifier up too high it can lead to nasal congestion if you get too much. .............
Like many others, I find that inhaling steam, cool mist or warm mist will reduce sinus congestion and pain. It seems to follow that running the humidifier on the highest setting practical* will offer the most protection.
Where do you get the information that a setting can be made so high that it causes nasal congestion?
Regards,
rooster
*I run my humidifier on the next-to-highest setting because the tank will run dry overnight on the highest setting.
rooster wrote:Snoredog,Snoredog wrote:..............If you turn your humidifier up too high it can lead to nasal congestion if you get too much. .............
Like many others, I find that inhaling steam, cool mist or warm mist will reduce sinus congestion and pain. It seems to follow that running the humidifier on the highest setting practical* will offer the most protection.
Where do you get the information that a setting can be made so high that it causes nasal congestion?
Regards,
rooster
*I run my humidifier on the next-to-highest setting because the tank will run dry overnight on the highest setting.
someday science will catch up to what I'm saying...
There is nothing in that information that says high humidification levels will damage the turbinate function. I have checked several other references and cannot find such a claim.
Remember, if the system is operating properly, we are just talking about water vapor. If you are thinking actual droplets of water settling on the turbinates, that is a different matter.
In any case, I know in 15 months of cpap therapy, I have not had a cold and my nasal allergy symptoms have been lessened by 90%. I attribute this to the filter and humidified cpap air.
In a few months, I will see a good ENT doctor, who is partnering with a sleep doctor, and get his opinion.
Remember, if the system is operating properly, we are just talking about water vapor. If you are thinking actual droplets of water settling on the turbinates, that is a different matter.
In any case, I know in 15 months of cpap therapy, I have not had a cold and my nasal allergy symptoms have been lessened by 90%. I attribute this to the filter and humidified cpap air.
In a few months, I will see a good ENT doctor, who is partnering with a sleep doctor, and get his opinion.
[quote="rooster"]There is nothing in that information that says high humidification levels will damage the turbinate function. I have checked several other references and cannot find such a claim.
Remember, if the system is operating properly, we are just talking about water vapor. If you are thinking actual droplets of water settling on the turbinates, that is a different matter.
In any case, I know in 15 months of cpap therapy, I have not had a cold and my nasal allergy symptoms have been lessened by 90%. I attribute this to the filter and humidified cpap air.
In a few months, I will see a good ENT doctor, who is partnering with a sleep doctor, and get his opinion.
Remember, if the system is operating properly, we are just talking about water vapor. If you are thinking actual droplets of water settling on the turbinates, that is a different matter.
In any case, I know in 15 months of cpap therapy, I have not had a cold and my nasal allergy symptoms have been lessened by 90%. I attribute this to the filter and humidified cpap air.
In a few months, I will see a good ENT doctor, who is partnering with a sleep doctor, and get his opinion.
someday science will catch up to what I'm saying...
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ResMed humidifiers do not really heat until set at least at the "IIII" setting.--GoofyUT Chuck taught me that.
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[quote="Snoredog"]...............They control humidification by shrinking and swelling of the tissue covering the bony turbinate structure. When the tissue becomes engorged with blood they expand, this reduces the airflow entering the nose (congestion). If you get too much moisture entering the lungs the body will try and reduce that amount the only way it can by engorging the turbinate tissue with blood thereby reducing the amount of incoming air. Your normal reaction to this is to breathe through your mouth which is much dryer air. .....................
[quote="Snoredog"]The heated humidifier only increases/decreases the moisture in the air, it is not meant to "warm" the incoming air. "
Makes perfect sense, but not according to the people at Remstar. They get quite snotty if you ask them if they're going to make a heated hose, and say that they already *have* a product that heats the air - the humidifier! They say that if the air is cool, the unit must be defective. Well, you know it isn't defective, because you get rainout if you turn it up. And anyone who had ever cooled the air with mist knows whats going to happen when you add mist to the air - whether the water is warm or not. It was a very frustrating conversation to have with them.
Makes perfect sense, but not according to the people at Remstar. They get quite snotty if you ask them if they're going to make a heated hose, and say that they already *have* a product that heats the air - the humidifier! They say that if the air is cool, the unit must be defective. Well, you know it isn't defective, because you get rainout if you turn it up. And anyone who had ever cooled the air with mist knows whats going to happen when you add mist to the air - whether the water is warm or not. It was a very frustrating conversation to have with them.
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mkirkwag wrote:
...And anyone who had ever cooled the air with mist knows whats going to happen when you add mist to the air - whether the water is warm or not....
Yes, isn't that known as a "swamp cooler"? They were used more before air conditioners, using a fine spray of mist. I have seen similar items producing the same effect for sale this past summer.
I cannot use the simple seal on my CL 2 because the blowing air makes my nose cold--the direct seal and nasal pillows do not. Interesting, isn't it, that the air blowing IS "heated" by the humidifier and still freezes the nose? If it bit the toes, we could all sing, "Over the River and Through the Woods".
Corporate doublespeak lives on, apparently, at the Remstar company.
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