How to lower your AHI by 70+ overnight

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How to lower your AHI by 70+ overnight

Post by loggerhead12 » Fri Mar 03, 2023 9:44 am

My medical team and I have been trying to figure out why I started having shortness of breath during heavy exertion last October. I was huffing hard to get air into my lungs, and it was getting worse. First it was during racketball, then on fast walks, then just walking up 10 steps.

The cardiologist and pulmonologist both said it wasn't heart or lung related and to look elsewhere. After wasting a few months someone thought to do an image of my neck, where they finally saw my thyroid was enlarged. It was so big my trachea was being squeezed. A lot. Instead of my airway being 25mm wide (or 1 inch) like it should be, it was instead 2mm wide (less than 1/10 of an inch) and pushed way over to the right. General consensus among my doctors is that to be this size it has to have been growing slowly for years, like most of a decade.

After meeting with endocrinologist, an ENT, and finally a neck surgeon, I had it removed a couple of weeks ago. The difference was immediate. When I went under, I was breathing hard just from moving to the OR table. When I woke up, I could breathe. It was that simple.

Coincidentally, I was due to get a new machine, and insurance wanted a new sleep study. We did that last Friday night, ten days after the surgery. I did two sleep studies in 2017. AHI from one was 124, and the other was 103. The diagnostic AHI from the one I did last week was 27. My original prescribed pressure in 2017 was 19/24. The sleep doc titrated me to 10 this time, and I slept 5 hours at that pressure with an AHI of 0.9. Much lower pressure means fewer leaks, less pressure on the right side of my heart, easier sleeping - lots of benefits.

Even more interesting, my trachea is still stretched out. If I exhale really hard I can make it rattle back there, which really annoys the surgeon. He said it will retract to its normal size slowly and will firm up, at which point I might not have sleep apnea any more. I'm not often speechless but that rocked me back a bit. There is some chance that in the future I won't need a CPAP machine.

Don't scroll down unless you can handle a gross bloody thyroid pic. A normal thyroid is about 4.8cm wide. That thing was in my NECK.








































































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Re: How to lower your AHI by 70+ overnight

Post by chunkyfrog » Fri Mar 03, 2023 10:23 am

Benign, I hope.

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Re: How to lower your AHI by 70+ overnight

Post by loggerhead12 » Fri Mar 03, 2023 10:28 am

Mostly. A 1mm carcinoma right in the middle that wasn't going anywhere, and now it's gone. No one is concerned about it.

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Post by Miss Emerita » Fri Mar 03, 2023 10:40 am

Wow, what a saga! Amazing to think that thing was slowly throttling you. I'm so glad it's OUT.
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Post by nelamvr6 » Fri Mar 03, 2023 1:06 pm

I'm glad they finally found it, I'm sorry it took so long...

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Post by zonker » Fri Mar 03, 2023 1:46 pm

that's good news, loggerhead!
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but that's enough about them.
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Re: How to lower your AHI by 70+ overnight

Post by ChicagoGranny » Sat Mar 04, 2023 12:05 pm

Congratulations on such a good outcome!
loggerhead12 wrote:
Fri Mar 03, 2023 9:44 am
Much lower pressure means fewer leaks, less pressure on the right side of my heart, easier sleeping - lots of benefits.
Hasn't the idea that CPAP does some damage to the right ventricle been rejected by science?

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Re: How to lower your AHI by 70+ overnight

Post by loggerhead12 » Sat Mar 04, 2023 2:35 pm

ChicagoGranny wrote:
Sat Mar 04, 2023 12:05 pm
Hasn't the idea that CPAP does some damage to the right ventricle been rejected by science?
Dunno, I haven't read any studies. My doc says pressure for the right side of your heart averages around 20 mmHg. If you can reduce your CPAP pressure by 5 cmH2O, that's equivalent to 3.65 mmHg, which would be 18% of that 20 mmHg of right side pressure. That's a pretty significant drop. Lower blood pressure is better than higher, within normal limits of course.

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Re: How to lower your AHI by 70+ overnight

Post by ChicagoGranny » Sat Mar 04, 2023 4:37 pm

loggerhead12 wrote:
Sat Mar 04, 2023 2:35 pm
My doc says pressure for the right side of your heart averages around 20 mmHg. If you can reduce your CPAP pressure by 5 cmH2O, that's equivalent to 3.65 mmHg, which would be 18% of that 20 mmHg of right side pressure. That's a pretty significant drop. Lower blood pressure is better than higher, within normal limits of course.
Sounds like junk science.

5 cm H2O is 3.68 mmHg. However, CPAP pressure is on the airway, not the heart.

Every study I have looked at says untreated sleep apnea often damages the right ventricle and often increases blood pressure. Treatment with CPAP can repair right ventricle damage and lower blood pressure.

I'm trying to unread what you wrote. Let's not scare newbies that CPAP will damage their heart and increase their blood pressure. :x

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Re: How to lower your AHI by 70+ overnight

Post by loggerhead12 » Sat Mar 04, 2023 6:54 pm

ChicagoGranny wrote:
Sat Mar 04, 2023 4:37 pm
However, CPAP pressure is on the airway, not the heart.
The right side of your heart pumps blood through your lungs, where it gets oxygenated. Higher pressure in the lungs means the right side has to pump harder.

No doubt - CPAP is better for your heart than no CPAP. My blood pressure showed that right away. My doc's point is that it's prudent to use the lowest pressure that provides adequate therapy. He's a huge CPAP advocate and will talk your ear off about how his first boss worked for Dr. Sullivan way back when it was all just starting.

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Re: How to lower your AHI by 70+ overnight

Post by chunkyfrog » Sat Mar 04, 2023 8:03 pm

Sounds like evidence SUPPORTING exhale relief.
Stands to reason that the maximum pressure might not always be wanted.

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