chin strap for back sleeper to use with bleep

Order from Sureseal. I got the quarterly one. Comes with all you need.

https://bleepsleep.com/our-partners/

To those who have tried the Halos, obviously they're easier to connect and disconnect, but what other advantages have you found? Do you feel there is even less leaks since it's a much better connection? Do you notice any condensation from your exhaling at all? It seems like every morning I wake up to cold wet air right under my nose from exhaling all night. I think it wakes me up early. Hope the new design doesn't do that.

Also, the Bleep system is pretty expensive. But when you consider how hygienic they are, nothing to really wash other than the tubing, and how leak-free they can get your therapy, they are worth it. 100% worth it if you get good sleep. It will affect every area of your life.
When Pugsy says leaps and bounds improvement over the original, I am very excited to try it.

jlsmithseven wrote: ↑

Mon Dec 12, 2022 7:29 pm

Order from Sureseal. I got the quarterly one. Comes with all you need.

https://bleepsleep.com/our-partners/

To those who have tried the Halos, obviously they're easier to connect and disconnect, but what other advantages have you found? Do you feel there is even less leaks since it's a much better connection? Do you notice any condensation from your exhaling at all? It seems like every morning I wake up to cold wet air right under my nose from exhaling all night. I think it wakes me up early. Hope the new design doesn't do that.

Also, the Bleep system is pretty expensive. But when you consider how hygienic they are, nothing to really wash other than the tubing, and how leak-free they can get your therapy, they are worth it. 100% worth it if you get good sleep. It will affect every area of your life.

I also pre ordered the quarterly supply. The yearly one just had stuff in it I wouldn't use so a waste of money for me.
Plus I don't think I was real flush with dollars when the pre order thing first was available. We had to have some work done on the truck and nothing on a F350 is easy or cheap.

I changed my insurance this fall and the plan is to hopefully find that Aeroflow is an in network provider and let my insurance pay for things.
That's on my to do list for after Jan 1 when the new insurance takes effect. My current insurance is out of network for everyone since it is sort of an HMO insurance and my local DME refused to order it for me. I had tried in the past to get the original Bleep using my local DME but they were assholes about it...so I haven't bought anything from them in coming over 3 years now I guess it is.
The original Bleep was released in March 2019 and when my local DME refused to get it for me...I fired them and have been getting the Bleep on my own. I won't even buy a filter from that DME.

Insurance will pay for the Bleep/Eclipse...you just gotta find a supplier that is in the insurance network.
It's billed out just like any nasal cushion or nasal pillow mask. Uses the same HCPCS billing codes as my P10 or the N30.
And I use the "pillows" setting on my ResMed.

Pugsy wrote: ↑

Mon Dec 12, 2022 7:27 pm

onward60 wrote: ↑

Mon Dec 12, 2022 7:03 pm

I don't see the Eclipse on Aeroflow.

I looked as well and only saw the original Bleep. All that means is Aeroflow didn't decide to take early pre orders.
I know DirectHomeMedical has been taking pre orders for a few weeks though...but I don't know when they will get their new inventory.

Stuart told me that Aeroflow is the first online supplier to be getting the product shipped to them after all the pre orders are satisfied.

I would expect Aeroflow to update their website either very soon or when they actually get product to sell which will probably be 2 or 3 weeks if all goes well.

The pre orders went through a company called SureSeal but I don't know who they are or if you can just order from them....I can try to find out or you can contact Stuart and ask him.
There is contact information at the Bleep Web site
https://bleepsleep.com/

Eventually I would assume they will be available on Amazon as well....There's still a lot about the supply side of things that I don't know.
Sorry....I am not privy to that stuff.

It won't help to get the original Bleep now because the only part on it that will fit the Eclipse is the little black bikini thong diffuser thingy.
Nothing else is interchangeable.
Plus those little plastic parts on the original Bleep that are difficult for some people to manage might put extra pressure on your upper teeth area that might be a problem with your potential tooth issues.....that's not a for sure thing but it is possible and why I suggest just wait and get the Eclipse version. It is a leaps and bounds improvement over the original Bleep which I used for a long time and loved it.
Once I got the Beta version of the Eclipse....got spoiled and the Bleep original got put way back on the back burner.

It sounds like the new one is worth waiting for. I've been struggling for so long, a few more weeks or months even isn't going to matter. For me, this sleep deprivation has been going on for over 10 years. Of course, most of that was just wasted time because the first sleep doc didn't believe a thin female could have sleep apnea and refused to order a sleep study. The diagnosis and struggle with the CPAP has only been a couple of years.

onward60 wrote: ↑

Mon Dec 12, 2022 5:56 pm

ChicagoGranny wrote: ↑

Mon Dec 12, 2022 5:30 pm

Ever considered taping your mouth shut? It's more common than most people realize. Numerous people here can explain how they do it and which tapes they use.

Chinstraps seem to be hit-and-miss, mostly miss. Even with the tightest chinstrap, the lips can still part and allow the therapeutic pressure to escape.

I did try that. The tugging on the skin caused pain, too.

When, and which type of tape?
There are modern silicon tapes that are even meant to be put directly on wounds and are very gentle on your skin.

I couldn’t get my insurance to cover the Bleep either. Haven’t bought a thing from them because out of pocket cost would’ve been substantially more than just getting it on my own. It is quite sad that most sleep doctors and DME are exactly the same. We can all agree they’re pretty much worthless when all we want is good sleep without paying a fortune.

jlsmithseven wrote: ↑

Tue Dec 13, 2022 4:46 am

I couldn’t get my insurance to cover the Bleep either. Haven’t bought a thing from them because out of pocket cost would’ve been substantially more than just getting it on my own. It is quite sad that most sleep doctors and DME are exactly the same. We can all agree they’re pretty much worthless when all we want is good sleep without paying a fortune.

Everyone needs to understand that insurance WILL pay for the Bleep/Eclipse but the DMEs not wanting to supply it will blame everyone's insurance instead of their own lazy asses.

In insurance terms the Bleep/Eclipse is no different from the P10 or the N30 or the Swift FX or any other nasal mask (be it cushion or pillows).

Everyone.....don't let the lazy asshole DMEs put the blame off on "your insurance won't pay for it" because that's an outright lie.
Only time a person's insurance won't pay is if the DME is out of network but if that were the case with a person's DME then insurance wouldn't pay for any mask. Wouldn't pay for the P10 either if out of network.
I don't think many of us would be using a DME who isn't in network....that' would be pretty stupid of us.
But there are actually ways around that "in network" problem if some wants to do a lot of work.

Anyway.....don't let a DME lie to you about insurance coverage. Make them own up to the fact they are lazy asses and just don't want to supply what you want.

Insurance (all of them including Medicare) pay by HCPCS billing codes and the codes for the Bleep / Eclipse frame are
the frame/hose....A7034
and the halos....either A7033 which is the 2 per month allowed nasal pillows or the A7032 which is the nasal cushion code that allows 2 per month......insurance doesn't care.

The quickest way to get fired by me...lie to me and tell me my insurance won't pay for something when I know damn well they will pay.

Pugsy wrote: ↑

Tue Dec 13, 2022 6:41 am

jlsmithseven wrote: ↑

Tue Dec 13, 2022 4:46 am

I couldn’t get my insurance to cover the Bleep either. Haven’t bought a thing from them because out of pocket cost would’ve been substantially more than just getting it on my own. It is quite sad that most sleep doctors and DME are exactly the same. We can all agree they’re pretty much worthless when all we want is good sleep without paying a fortune.

Everyone needs to understand that insurance WILL pay for the Bleep/Eclipse but the DMEs not wanting to supply it will blame everyone's insurance instead of their own lazy asses.

In insurance terms the Bleep/Eclipse is no different from the P10 or the N30 or the Swift FX or any other nasal mask (be it cushion or pillows).

Everyone.....don't let the lazy asshole DMEs put the blame off on "your insurance won't pay for it" because that's an outright lie.
Only time a person's insurance won't pay is if the DME is out of network but if that were the case with a person's DME then insurance wouldn't pay for any mask. Wouldn't pay for the P10 either if out of network.
I don't think many of us would be using a DME who isn't in network....that' would be pretty stupid of us.
But there are actually ways around that "in network" problem if some wants to do a lot of work.

Anyway.....don't let a DME lie to you about insurance coverage. Make them own up to the fact they are lazy asses and just don't want to supply what you want.

Insurance (all of them including Medicare) pay by HCPCS billing codes and the codes for the Bleep / Eclipse frame are
the frame/hose....A7034
and the halos....either A7033 which is the 2 per month allowed nasal pillows or the A7032 which is the nasal cushion code that allows 2 per month......insurance doesn't care.

The quickest way to get fired by me...lie to me and tell me my insurance won't pay for something when I know damn well they will pay.

I'll have to call my DME today and see if they can get the Bleep. They didn't mention it when they mentioned my options. There is one other DME in town I can try, too. My insurance is through the state. Very limited DME options. I never even managed to get a machine through them. I was put on a wait list 6 months ago and never got to the front of the line. The story was always, "Sorry, there's a nationwide shortage." My sister (both my sisters also have apnea) got fed up when she heard I had been waiting so long and went online and ordered me a machine and paid for it. Two days later, the machine arrived. There's no shortage for people who can pay cash.

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Tue Dec 13, 2022 7:15 am

My insurance is through the state.

Ahhhh....that does muddy the water a bit. State supplied insurance (often called Medicaid) often does limit what it will offer people.
It is simply different from private insurance or Medicare with what they offer people. I remember some years back there was a forum member who told me that her state supplied insurance (I forget which state) would only pay for one replacement nasal pillow per 12 months....didn't matter what brand. I will admit to doubting her so I went online and researched her state and it's cpap allowance schedule and there is was plain in black and white...one per 12 months.

Not all DMEs will accept state supplied insurance...reimbursement rates are so low they don't feel like they make enough money taking care of Medicaid patient's needs. Some DMEs are honest and up front about this fact but others prefer to just lie and make up excuses that aren't the truth
and you are right....there is no shortage of anything when people pay cash for something.

People on state supplied insurance are treated like the ugly stepchild for sure. Sad but it is what it is.

At Stuart's website he does cover information about where/how a DME can get the Bleep/Eclipse if they can't find it to order it for someone.
The biggest problem though...if ordered from some place like SureSeal (which will supply stuff to DMEs at a wholesale level when purchased in bulk) the cost is often going to be higher at a wholesale level and either insurance reimbursement rates are so low that the DME either makes very little on the product or sometimes would lose money. Profit margins are pretty slim for all these DMEs. When someone has to pay 60 bucks for a mask at a wholesale level and insurance only reimburses 70 bucks...not much money to be made there and when a DME has to pay full retail for a one off purchase somewhere...they are going to lose money. I understand the need to make a profit but what I hate is when the DME won't simply be honest and up front about it and instead they tell people "your insurance won't cover it" which isn't the truth.

The truth is they don't make enough money on it so they won't supply it. If that's the case...I respect honesty...tell me the truth and let me go find a DME who will supply instead of blaming my insurance which will make a person just not try to get it from someplace else.
Though having state supplied insurance makes it more difficult because DMEs who accept state supplied insurance are in really short supply.
So a person gets the double whammy....limited DME suppliers to choose from and then low reimbursement rates causing the DME to simply not want to lose money.

Yes...lots of options and supplies for cash paying customers but sadly often when someone has state supplied insurance they don't have a lot of disposable income to draw from.

The Bleep/Eclipse....while the official CYA about the product is "replace frame/hose at 3 months"....I have been using the same Beta version of the frame for probably at least 2 years now. Take care of it and it will last a long, long time so that cost can be saved.
The most expensive part of the Bleep/Eclipse is going to be the part of it that you stick on your nose because it can't be reused...the adhesive simply will not stick if someone tries a second night with it.

I’ve learned that my high deductible plan, even if they pay for the Bleep might actually end up costing more through the DME before I hit my deductible. Once I found out the DME supplies are like 2-3x the price of buying at Amazon I just didn’t bother with them. Not that I do need something replaced frequently , my insurance might end up being worth it because then I can order hosing and other things, but of course they don’t carry the only mask that works.

jlsmithseven wrote: ↑

Tue Dec 13, 2022 8:12 am

DME supplies are like 2-3x the price of buying at Amazon I just didn’t bother with them.

This is so true. DME prices are often substantially higher for anything compared to Amazon or EBay or wherever. Really hurts people with high deductible plans and they haven't met and won't meet their deductibles.

I have bought replacement water chambers from Amazon for 1/3 what my DME would charge and since I would have a copay involved with a DME...when I buy from Amazon I often end up paying close to what I would have to pay in terms of a copay.
I can get a couple of dozen filters off of Amazon/EBay for what my co pay is from just one filter using the local DME. Duh....
Not to mention the no hassle factor....plus the fact that I don't have to drive 40 miles round trip to the DME (fuel costs add up as well) and I can order something on Friday night and have it delivered Monday by the mail lady.
Every time I have broken a water chamber...it was on Friday night. I always keep one spare on hand because I have been known to drop things and if you drop that water chamber on hardwood floor...it will break and it will leak.

Since my local DME pissed me off years ago when they lied to me when I asked about the Bleep and made the fatal mistake of telling me "your insurance won't pay for the Bleep" I just refuse to buy anything from them. It really didn't end up costing me all that much more and I didn't have to deal with the liars or the hassle factor.
My last water chamber from Amazon was around 19 bucks...and if I had used the DME/insurance my co pay would have been around 14 or 15 bucks. It cost me maybe 5 bucks more but then I had no fuel costs and no hassle fact. Well worth it to me to just get it from Amazon.
I have a diesel big F350 truck...it just eats fuel like it's going out of style. My local DME doesn't/won't mail out anything.....plus if they did I would have to wait for it. My time is also worth something and I don't have to deal with known liars.

Anyone wanting to stick with the original Bleep I would suggest that they contact Stuart and ask if he is for sure discontinuing the Bleep and tell him you are happy with it and if he will sell you the DreamPorts at a savings you are willing to buy in bulk. He may know of someone who will sell in bulk at a discount more than what you see at the websites. Never hurts to ask.

In fact...give me a bit and I will shoot Stuart a message and ask him.

To those wondering...per Stuart just a couple of minutes ago.

"Right now there are no plans to discontinue the original Bleep. People are generating rumors for nothing"

I reached out to him this morning too. I think he got the idea since you reached out as well, that people think he’s discontinuing them. He did say websites will give discounts in bulk not sure which ones yet. I’m sure this is all for nothing because once the halos come I don’t think many people will want the old version…since they still work fine mostly it would be nice to have some backup on hand , that’s all.

keep checking ebay

you never know

i often see them there but be mindful of the count. it’s never a full box

jlsmithseven wrote: ↑

Mon Dec 12, 2022 7:29 pm

To those who have tried the Halos, obviously they're easier to connect and disconnect, but what other advantages have you found? Do you feel there is even less leaks since it's a much better connection? Do you notice any condensation from your exhaling at all? It seems like every morning I wake up to cold wet air right under my nose from exhaling all night. I think it wakes me up early. Hope the new design doesn't do that.

Could someone explain what this means, please?

jlsmithseven wrote: ↑

Mon Dec 12, 2022 7:29 pm

To those who have tried the Halos, obviously they're easier to connect and disconnect, but what other advantages have you found? Do you feel there is even less leaks since it's a much better connection? Do you notice any condensation from your exhaling at all? It seems like every morning I wake up to cold wet air right under my nose from exhaling all night. I think it wakes me up early. Hope the new design doesn't do that.

Sorry...I missed these questions.

The ease in connection is huge when someone has dexterity issues. For me it made the difference in my using the Bleep/Eclipse at all back when I had to have my hand/wrist surgery. There was zero way I could manage the DreamPorts.

As for leak....lots of people who have problems connecting the Bleep Dreamway ports also complained of leaks but it was because they just couldn't mast the attachment process for some reason....when those ports aren't attached correctly and completely the mask will leak.
So...in a sense the Eclipse with the magnet has a really good chance of improving that part of the potential leaking.

I do get a little bit of condensation sometimes but I get it in both the original Bleep as well as the Eclipse.
It's simply because I use the max setting for humidity and I like a cold bedroom....that's gonna cause some condensation to happen.
I use a heated hose...plus on the short hose that is part of the mask I put a hose cozy on it.
I fight rain out all winter...I accept it. It's been this way in the winter time ever since I started cpap.

For condensation only in the "pillow" area....there are the barrel cozies from padacheek.com. She doesn't have an official Bleep version but
one of the others could be modified easily for the Bleep/Eclipse. I did it....just to see if it could be done.
I don't remember which barrel cozy I did it to though....but I think it was the P10 barrel cozy.

Do you know about padacheek barrel cozies? They feel like silk against the skin and they do help prevent condensation at the pillow level.
You might want to look at it.