P30i vs n/p10?

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P30i vs n/p10?

Post by Mdnuts » Sun Aug 07, 2022 3:37 am

I am a fairly new user. Started with the dream wear full mask which was terrible. I read someone in here mentioning that less people need full mask than believe they do and I went and bought the under the nose Dreamweaver one. That was a lot better but I'd wake up to having the frame shift around and pressing against the bottom side of my nose which was uncomfortable.

Talked with the adapt health folks and they sent me the airfit p30i. That so far has been the best but I'm a side/back sleeper and it's difficult to find a comfortable side position with the frame around my face and how it fits on the nose. I went and bought the contour pillow which improves it slightly.

I've been wondering about the p or n10 series. Are face frame issues better with these? Does anyone know how to "try" these various ones out (getting expensive).

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Re: P30i vs n/p10?

Post by jdm5 » Sun Aug 07, 2022 6:10 am

Might want to try the Bleep “mask” (not really a mask per se).

I used the P10 for many years and liked it, but was periodically awakened having to shift the headgear to make sure I got a good seal.

The Bleep are actually ports with strong adhesives you stick on your nose and the hose clicks into the ports.

There is no actual headgear, and if applied correctly following the instructions do not leak. It’s very important to prep properly - wash your face, then use alcohol wipe or witch hazel to remove any oils and then dry _completely_.

They are a little non-traditional but in my ~20 years of cpap use are the best I’ve found and would def recommend.

Downside is the ports are one night use, so have to have a supply of them / renew it.

There is a new version coming soon that replaces the plastic port with magnets which will make it easier to connect. I don’t find this version difficult but if you have hand/finger problems I can see how they might be.

Good luck - shout with questions.

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Re: P30i vs n/p10?

Post by Pugsy » Sun Aug 07, 2022 6:27 am

Mdnuts wrote:
Sun Aug 07, 2022 3:37 am
I've been wondering about the p or n10 series.
There isn't a N10 that I am aware of.

P10 yes...and the N30 can/do use the same headgear. Is that what you meant?

https://www.cpap.com/productpage/resmed ... h-headgear

https://www.cpap.com/productpage/resmed ... k-headgear

The N30 is pretty much the P10 but and under the nose nasal cushion. The P10 has been around for years but the N30 maybe last year or two.
Mdnuts wrote:
Sun Aug 07, 2022 3:37 am
Are face frame issues better with these?
I personally think that the frames for the P10/N30 are about as minimal as someone can get and certainly less on your face and head than the Respironics DreamWear model line or ResMed F30i/N30i/P30i series....which are similar masks that have the hose attach on the top of the head and air goes through the frame which does wrap around the face. While not horribly bulky for side sleepers who end up laying on the frame with air going through it, lets face it there is just more "stuff" there to lay on for side sleepers. Some people don't care but some people find that frame with air going through it a bit annoying. Everyone is going to have their own personal preferences, wants and needs when it comes to a mask and unfortunately there's no way to know or learn what your own personals wants are until you try a mask or several masks.

Insurance only pays for a new mask every so often...and these puppies are very expensive. Experimenting is pricey for sure and beyond some peoples pocketbook to handle comfortably.

Using a DME to try new masks shouldn't be all that expensive because ALL the mask manufacturers have a 30 day return policy and DMEs could swap out masks and make use of the 30 day return policy if they just would and they wouldn't lose money but it does involve them doing a bit of paperwork and they simply don't want to do the work. Instead maybe they tell you that your insurance only allows one swap when it isn't the insurance rule...it's their own in house rule.
Used to be years ago that a physical swap had to occur and the DME would have to mail the unwanted mask back to the manufacturers but I don't think they do that now. Instead they just can do some paperwork and the manufacturers give them credit for a not so physical mask swap (the mask just goes in the trash so the DME just lets the person keep it) and they don't lose money.

So what it all comes down to is the DME's own particular in house rules and some DMEs have very generous "rules" and some are just lazy buttheads and say "you are allowed one 'swap by your insurance' and that's it."
I will use my own DME as an example. Their in house rules are very generous....I can try a new mask per my insurance allowance and then I have 60 days to decide if it will work well for me or not. They use the 30 days that the mask manufacturers offer plus they add another 30 days on their own. During that 60 day period I can swap out (now they do require me to actually return the mask) I can try as many masks as they might offer in stock and not have to pay anything extra beyond my copay for the one mask that my insurance will pay for per the allowance period.
It is an extremely generous in house mask return policy. I can understand the fact that the mask must be physically returned part because there are people who will abuse the system and go selling masks on EBay or craigslist even though they will just toss the unwanted mask in the trash.

So what you can do is check with your insurance company for a list of DMEs that are in network for you and then you can go check with each DME personally and find out exactly what their own in house rules are for masks.
Your insurance is most likely going to follow the Medicare replacement timetable which I have included below.
If you don't have Medicare you probably should verify what replacement schedule they use just so you know exactly when you can get what and have insurance pay their share.

Now most online retailers of cpap supplies will offer some sort of return policy...either for store credit or a full refund.
You will most likely need a RX to purchase online though...just ask your doctor for the RX.
The place I linked to above with the N30 and P10 masks...they offer a 30 day return policy that doesn't cost you anything.
30 day free return insurance is what it is called. You have 30 days from when they ship the mask to you to get the mask back to them if you hate the mask and you can get a full refund. Pretty sweet deal and while the masks are expensive it is a way to try multiple masks and only have to pay up front for one mask.

Now another alternative...I have a donations box where forum members have tried a mask and didn't like it and they messed around and exceeded the time frame for returning a mask for the refund. They send the mask to me and I save it and store it and then as the need arises I send the gently used mask out to someone for them to try and all I ask is reimbursement for postage because postage adds up. Obviously I don't always have every mask out there available but I think I saw a P10 in the donations box. If you want it just contact me privately and we will work out the details.

Now if gently used creeps you out too much....I do happen to have a brand new still sealed in box P10 (both the regular and for her versions I think) that I would sell you. $45 and mailing is included. That's about 35 for the new mask and 10 for mailing. I bought these masks last Dec from cpap.com. Long story there but it involved using FSA tax deferred funds that needed to be used.

So you have some options...look for a DME that has a better return policy...buy from online retailer and make use of their return policy....buy gently used, from me, unwanted if I happen to have what you want to try....buy brand new from me at a steep discount but I don't do returns... :lol: or you can sometimes buy gently used from forum members here at a steep discount as well.

As for the N30 and P10....the headgear is interchangeable but the cushion/pillows are not and the hose/frame part is different as well. You can buy like the P10 (or if I have gently used in the donations box you can have for price of postage)...and that headgear will work with the N30 frame...and you just have to purchase the cushion and frame/hose part. So you can save some money that way... check out Amazon or EBay for pricing as those are usually the cheapest options. Online retailers will also offer mask parts so you can build your own mask but prices will be higher.
Sometimes online retailer is the only place you can find a certain part.

Below is the Medicare replacement allowance schedule. You insurance may or may not use this schedule. If you don't have medicare you need to check with your insurance and find out what schedule they go by.

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Re: P30i vs n/p10?

Post by Pugsy » Sun Aug 07, 2022 6:34 am

BTW....for most online sellers any return policy available is only going to apply to full mask packages and not replacement parts.
Some people will just buy replacement parts and build their own masks out of replacement parts since replacement parts don't require a RX.

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Re: P30i vs n/p10?

Post by lynninnj » Sun Aug 07, 2022 6:42 am

The mask return policy is typically only for full mask kit, isn’t it?

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Re: P30i vs n/p10?

Post by bucko » Sun Aug 07, 2022 1:43 pm

I just went from a P10 to an N20 5 days ago. The P10 was great but left my nose sore in the morning, and yes I did use the correct nasal size (large). Switched to the N20 nasal pillow design and now have a comfortable mask working very nice. I also use a Scuncie for my mouth. Both are a nice combo for me after using a FFM for years.

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Re: P30i vs n/p10?

Post by Albatros » Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:30 pm

Hello,
I'm new to using a mask and don't really know yet what to select.
What I know for sure, is that I have a problem with my mouth: air leaks that prevent me from sleeping. I have put a plastic strap to close my mouth. It works, but the air keeps pushing on my cheeks, which also disturbs me. Did you have the same problem ?
What is your "scuncie" I have not found anything on the internet?
Thanks

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Re: P30i vs n/p10?

Post by Julie » Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:38 pm

I don't think Bucko (who wrote in Aug) will see your note. Start your own thread, with your own title, like "How to choose a mask", or something like that... and you'll get answers, but it's important to know more, like what model of which machine you use, at what pressure settings, etc. A scuncie is a little elastic ring used for holding hair -Google it. Also, why limit choices to 2 masks when there are SO many more available... see Cpap.com's variety and explanations about them.
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Re: P30i vs n/p10?

Post by chunkyfrog » Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:40 pm

Scunci--stretchy headband, found in retail hair accessories.
It is a brand name, but any brand will do.

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Re: P30i vs n/p10?

Post by Mdnuts » Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:24 pm

As an update for me. I've found the P10 to be a log better than the p30i, likely solely because of the thickness of the head frame. I still deal with some pillow pushing the mask but it's much better.

The hose off the nose hasn't been an issue either

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Re: P30i vs n/p10?

Post by gingersnap10 » Mon Nov 07, 2022 11:14 am

Hi Pugsy, I am a new cpap user also in the process of finding my mask. Is the P30 for her still available for purchase? I'll PM you as well.

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Re: P30i vs n/p10?

Post by KittyMom22 » Fri Nov 11, 2022 8:03 am

Just FYI my DME only accepts returns within 30 days of unopened equipment

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Re: P30i vs n/p10?

Post by Fed1 » Fri Nov 11, 2022 11:01 pm

My favorite mask for years has been the p10. Not to long ago I tried the p30i which I liked because the hose connects on top. But I have more leaks with the p30. In addition the wide tubes that being the air down to the pillows press on my cheeks. That’s not too much of a bother in the winter but is in the summer when the room is warmer. I’ve used the p10 long enough that I’m not even conscious of moving the hose if I turn over at night.

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