Sleep quantity/quality and heart health

I was scrolling the news this morning and came across a news article based on a newly published study in the ahajournals.
https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/epdf/10 ... 0000001078
addressing sleep itself in terms of effect on heart health in general.

So not only is sleep itself (both quantity and quality) important in terms of how we feel in general....I guess it's important to overall heart health which most of us don't really think about. We greedy humans tend to target how we feel in the present and not so much the future. Human nature I suppose.

Pugsy wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 30, 2022 8:37 am

I was scrolling the news this morning and came across a news article based on a newly published study in the ahajournals.

this might be something to "tuck away" for use when we get sleep apnea deniers coming in to ask if they really need therapy!

zonker wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 30, 2022 10:52 am

Pugsy wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 30, 2022 8:37 am

I was scrolling the news this morning and came across a news article based on a newly published study in the ahajournals.

this might be something to "tuck away" for use when we get sleep apnea deniers coming in to ask if they really need therapy!

Well it's tucked away in the archives for anyone to see and read.
Back when I started therapy and had the elimination of 2 main symptoms of OSA (headache and nocturia) I wasn't seeing the burst of energy by any means so I wasn't 100% a happy camper with things because I had also had unrealistic expectations back then. Not unlike some of your thoughts I would imagine given your history of going to extraordinary targeting of the AHI as the sole metric for sleeping better and "getting good therapy". You have changed I am glad to see.

Anyhow way back in 2009 I always told myself that using cpap was also "preventative medicine" in that it was preventing that heart attack or stroke or my own particular worry was the heart attack or stroke that comes up short and leaves a person in a permanent vegetative state. I always felt it was no different than that baby aspirin advice (back when it was the common advice) to be taken to prevent a heart attack or lessen severity if it did happen.

It's kinda nice to see actual validation for my own thoughts from even way back when in a respected medical journal.
I always wondered where people's common sense logic was when they bailed on cpap because "it didn't work"..
Normally the reason most people bailed because "it didn't work" was because they had unrealistic expectations in the first place. I have always known that I had other sleep issues besides OSA and I always have known that the machine won't do a damn thing for my back issues. Geezzz...what's so hard about understanding that cpap can only fix problems that it was designed to fix and can't do a damn thing about problems not related to the airway.

Oh wait...common sense logic is a thing of the past and hard to find and in short supply. In its place is the unrealistic expectation that cpap should fix everything wrong with us and if it doesn't then it "doesn't work".

Pugsy wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 30, 2022 11:14 am

Back when I started therapy and had the elimination of 2 main symptoms of OSA (headache and nocturia) I wasn't seeing the burst of energy by any means so I wasn't 100% a happy camper with things because I had also had unrealistic expectations back then.

heh. i didn't know nuffin about sleep apnea when i started. i went to the doc because i was getting up to 4x per night, not knowing that nocturia was part of sleep apnea or even WHAT sleep apnea was! after asking a few questions he said "i think you may have sleep apnea.". all my brain heard was "there's a name for this!!". and then all the things that followed from that.

i just thought i slept that because i slept that way. i knew other people slept better but i didn't know i could DO something about it. and at no time did i think of what sleep apnea was doing to my health. all of that came much later, after i'd logged in here and read up on the subject.

sure enough, those trips to the bathroom reduced to once per night. headaches that i didn't know were part of apnea went away too.

I always wondered where people's common sense logic was when they bailed on cpap because "it didn't work"..

i've always felt women were more in touch with their bodies than men are. i know that a lot of men don't even want to admit there is anything "wrong" with them. i'm not that far gone. i recognize pain and will certainly see a doctor for that. same with any heart condition or things of that nature. but a lot of guys just will not accept having anything that they feel makes them less than the strong silent type.

Normally the reason most people bailed because "it didn't work" was because they had unrealistic expectations in the first place.

this is why i said this link should be tucked away. just like the links to oscar and how to organize and post charts. the link can be whipped out when someone starts saying that they don't really need cpap therapy "just for snoring" or some other excuse. just a little something to show them.