Airsense 10 Data Transfer Qs

Hi from a newbie!

I just received my new CPAP machine after eight years on an S9. Especially with COVID-19, having that data upload feature is helpful for virtual visits with my sleep doc. I failed to think about how I live in a very rural part of the US, where cell service is limited, when getting the new device ordered. Got it set up and realized it isn't detecting the network to do said data transfer.

My father and I now have the same machine model (WHY is there a For Her CPAP??? Do our lungs work differently? The black looks way nicer...), but his is upstairs while mine is in the basement. My dad does get a single bar, so I know it's possible to use the data transfer feature where I live. It made me wonder about some of the tech specs, to see if I can just take the machine out of my room periodically or right before an appointment for the data to be uploaded.

What I'm wondering in particular...
1) How many days of data will be uploaded at a time? Could it do a month, or six months, or a year's worth in one go? I'm not going to bother if it only does a single day at a time - that'd just be annoying, moving it daily.
2) Does anyone know how the machine decides WHEN to transfer the data? Is it automatically at a certain time daily? Does unplugging the machine and plugging it in again trigger an upload on startup?

Unfortunately, the manual does not list this info, so I'm hoping someone on here might know the answer to these. Maybe you traveled with your machine and it couldn't upload for a while because it couldn't find the network, but you saw your data upload after returning home. If no one knows, I'll just have to experiment to figure it out, but I figured it couldn't hurt to just ask first!

You can use an SD card just like on the S9.

I have never seen any documentation as to just how much data gets uploaded once the machine is able to transmit but I have heard of people going out of the country and, thus no chance for data transmission, for 2 weeks to a month and when they get back home the machine uploads and all the old data is there for the entire time they are gone.

I would think once a month trip upstairs would be more than enough if you want or need it to transmit.
And of course as already mentioned....make sure you have a SD card in the machine and just use the SD card for data storage and use available software.

If your equipment supplier wants to use the MyAir website for compliance verification you could take the machine upstairs after 30 days of use and that should satisfy them. Or they could use the SD card but most are lazy and just want to log on to the website and get it.

I knew I could just use the SD card, but thanks to COVID, I haven't been able to fly to where I see my sleep doc. I had an amazing rheumatologist where I used to live, but I had to move home. To avoid the obnoxiousness in WV where doctors treat every patient like they're drug-seekers, and because I only need annual visits anyway, I kept my sleep doc and usually would just schedule with him whenever I'd be in town for my rheumatologist. It just makes things easier if the automated data upload system works. Plus, maybe that'll cause the DME provider to shut up with the compliance emails and voicemails... Super annoying when I almost never fall asleep without using the machine (not even napping, unless I pass out from complete exhaustion unintentionally.)

Thanks, Pugsy, for confirming that others have been out of service for extended periods and that they saw their machines had transferred all data once returning. Weird that tech specs for data transmission aren't out there, IMO. Glad these kinds of forums exist to get anecdotal info.

(Apologies for not responding for three days. I thought I'd get an email saying there was a reply but never did. Grateful for the info!)

tabularasasm wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 26, 2020 2:31 pm

Apologies for not responding for three days. I thought I'd get an email saying there was a reply but never did.

Not sure why you didn't get an email unless it is turned off.
Go up to Notifications at the top and then click on "settings" in the right corner and look carefully to see if there is a check mark in the email box for what you are wanting.

But then sometimes it doesn't work right...even if there is a check mark in the email box

Pugsy wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 26, 2020 4:59 pm

tabularasasm wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 26, 2020 2:31 pm

Apologies for not responding for three days. I thought I'd get an email saying there was a reply but never did.

Not sure why you didn't get an email unless it is turned off.
Go up to Notifications at the top and then click on "settings" in the right corner and look carefully to see if there is a check mark in the email box for what you are wanting.

But then sometimes it doesn't work right...even if there is a check mark in the email box

There was a checkmark in the 'subscribed' box previously, and I checked the 'bookmarked' email box just now. I got an email when you last responded, but that might be because I noticed the "notify me" check box option before posting and selected it. Who knows.

I can confirm that going overseas, for at least a month and then returning home, that the data is uploaded to the ResMed MyAir website.

As for the “for her” model of the S10...I too am interested in an answer to your question as to what differences (if any) there may be in operation...or is it just a marketing thing (which is obviously smart on ResMed’s part - if that is the real reason)

Oh, another point - which blew me away when I heard about it.

US Navy personal assigned to ships use their CPAP machines onboard and while underway. Some of those deployments can be up to 8-9 months away from the USA.

Seeing how tight berthing areas on a ship can be (3 high bunks), one can only imagine how tough that would be. Maybe someone from the Navy or a Merchant Seaman could respond about shipboard use (cause I’m interested) but more importantly to this topic and overseas/no connectivity use.

JLROhio wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 27, 2020 12:19 pm

As for the “for her” model of the S10...I too am interested in an answer to your question as to what differences (if any) there may be in operation...or is it just a marketing thing (which is obviously smart on ResMed’s part - if that is the real reason)

The For Her AirSense 10 AutoSet had 3 modes of operation
1...cpap fixed mode
2...normal auto adjusting/apap mode
3...and a special/different auto adjusting/apap mode that works differently than the regular auto adjusting mode.

The regular AirSense 10 AutoSet had only 2 modes of operation
1...cpap fixed mode
2...the normal auto adjusting/apap mode

So the For Her machine is like getting 3 machines in one.

Now will someone benefit from that 3rd optional mode???? Don't know but I always have said better to have something and not need it than need it and not have it.

The differences in the modes explained a bit in the manual.
https://www.respshop.com/manuals/ResMed ... %20her.pdf

So definitely a difference beyond outward appearance and the model name. It is target marketed towards women but there is no reason in the world that men might not benefit from that 3rd mode option.

From Pugsy’s link, I found the following about the For Her Model on pages 9 & 10:

AutoSet for Her mode is based on key aspects of ResMed’s AutoSet algorithm and delivers therapeutic responses tailored to the characteristics of female OSA patients.

The AutoSet for Her is similar to ResMed’s AutoSet algorithm with the following modifications:

 Reduced rate of pressure increments designed to help prevent arousals.

 Slower pressure decays.

 Treats apneas up to 12 cm H2O and continues to respond to flow limitation and snore up to 20 cm H2O.

 Minimum pressure (Min. Pressure) that adjusts according to the frequency of apneas:
If two apneas occur within a minute, the pressure reached in response to the second apnea will become the new minimum treatment pressure until the next treatment session.

Patients who use AutoSet for Her will still get the benefits of ResMed's AutoSet technology including improved sensitivity to flow-limitation and Central Sleep Apnoea Detection with Forced Oscillation Technique.

Page 12

Respiratory effort related arousals reporting
Respiratory Effort Related Arousals (RERA) reporting is available on the AirSense 10 AutoSet for Her in all modes.
RERAs are periods of increasing respiratory effort which are terminated by an arousal. Increasing respiratory effort will be seen as airflow limitation.These flow-based RERA events are logged and stored as summary and/or detailed data and can then be viewed in one of ResMed's patient management systems.

JLROhio wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 27, 2020 1:01 pm

From Pugsy’s link, I found the following about the For Her Model on pages 9 & 10:

AutoSet for Her mode is based on key aspects of ResMed’s AutoSet algorithm and delivers therapeutic responses tailored to the characteristics of female OSA patients.

The AutoSet for Her is similar to ResMed’s AutoSet algorithm with the following modifications:

 Reduced rate of pressure increments designed to help prevent arousals.

 Slower pressure decays.

For what it's worth those two properties in for Her mode can also be used in Normal APAP mode by setting Response to Soft in the clinical settings.

The Response setting is not available in early AirSense 10 AutoSets.

Respiratory effort related arousals reporting
Respiratory Effort Related Arousals (RERA) reporting is available on the AirSense 10 AutoSet for Her in all modes.
RERAs are periods of increasing respiratory effort which are terminated by an arousal. Increasing respiratory effort will be seen as airflow limitation.These flow-based RERA events are logged and stored as summary and/or detailed data and can then be viewed in one of ResMed's patient management systems.

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Newer models of AirSense 10s are also capable of detecting RERAs.