IQoro

This claims to help sleep apnea (and other things) by training your throat/swallowing muscles?

Qoro® – a new neuromuscular treatment method
IQoro is a new and unique neuromuscular treatment method that takes just 30 seconds’ exercise, three times per day. It has been shown through many scientific studies that it can effectively train the musculature that is involved when we eat, swallow and breathe. Today, after more than 20 years’ clinical experience we know that IQoro promotes noticeable improvements amongst patients that have been referred to CPAP treatment, or who have had an unsuccessful surgical operation against snoring.

What do you think is this quackery?

https://www.iqoro.com/en/causes-of-dysp ... ep-apnoea/

crave303 wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 14, 2020 10:48 am

This claims to help sleep apnea (and other things) by training your throat/swallowing muscles?

Qoro® – a new neuromuscular treatment method
IQoro is a new and unique neuromuscular treatment method that takes just 30 seconds’ exercise, three times per day. It has been shown through many scientific studies that it can effectively train the musculature that is involved when we eat, swallow and breathe. Today, after more than 20 years’ clinical experience we know that IQoro promotes noticeable improvements amongst patients that have been referred to CPAP treatment, or who have had an unsuccessful surgical operation against snoring.

What do you think is this quackery?

https://www.iqoro.com/en/causes-of-dysp ... ep-apnoea/

"many scientific studies"!!!!

that's it. this forum is now no longer needed. they are on to us.

<sigh>

The exercise consists of placing the device between your lips and front teeth and pressing your lips together tightly, then pulling the device straight forward as if trying to pull it out of your mouth. Hold this tension for 5 to 10 seconds, then relax for 3 seconds.

Once when I was in the navy, I met a young lady in a bar ...

"Noticeable improvements" mean nothing. People need to breathe with FULLY unobstructed airways when asleep in order to treat OSA successfully.

PAP is the gold standard for accomplishing that according to ALL scientific studies ever in the history of the universe times infinity, per my estimates.

Whale Road wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 14, 2020 11:28 am

The exercise consists of placing the device between your lips and front teeth and pressing your lips together tightly, then pulling the device straight forward as if trying to pull it out of your mouth. Hold this tension for 5 to 10 seconds, then relax for 3 seconds.

Once when I was in the navy, I met a young lady in a bar ...

i'd like to subscribe to your newsletter, sir.

I was going to compose a serious reply, and then this happened.

Whale Road wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 14, 2020 11:28 am

The exercise consists of placing the device between your lips and front teeth and pressing your lips together tightly, then pulling the device straight forward as if trying to pull it out of your mouth. Hold this tension for 5 to 10 seconds, then relax for 3 seconds.

Once when I was in the navy, I met a young lady in a bar ...

I'm done for the day.

zonker wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 14, 2020 11:49 am

i'd like to subscribe to your newsletter, sir.

Mom says I can't start selling subscriptions until I turn 10 in October. Hit me up the first of November.

Whale Road wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 14, 2020 12:13 pm

zonker wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 14, 2020 11:49 am

i'd like to subscribe to your newsletter, sir.

Mom says I can't start selling subscriptions until I turn 10 in October. Hit me up the first of November.

ten!?!?

why when i was your age....

Cynicism and bad jokes aside, isn't this the same as myofunctional therapy? (which does have clinical studies for sleep apnea)

Just copy pasting from a random one: "Current literature demonstrates that myofunctional therapy decreases apnea-hypopnea index by approximately 50% in adults and 62% in children"

crave303 wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 15, 2020 5:20 am

Cynicism and bad jokes aside, isn't this the same as myofunctional therapy? (which does have clinical studies for sleep apnea)

Just copy pasting from a random one: "Current literature demonstrates that myofunctional therapy decreases apnea-hypopnea index by approximately 50% in adults and 62% in children"

Here is another random one.

The following exercises should be repeated 10 times and ideally, the entire set should be done at least 4 times per day. In total, 45 minutes per day should be devoted to the therapy. Myofunctional therapy should be performed daily for at least 2 years to have maximum benefit.

The regimen includes the following exercises.

Exercise 1: Push Up the Tongue
Place the tip of the tongue against the hard palate on the roof of the mouth, just behind the top teeth, and push upwards and hold for 5 seconds. Repeat 10 times.

Exercise 2: Touch Nose
Stick out your tongue and try to touch the tip of your nose and hold for 10 seconds, then relax. Repeat 10 times.

Exercise 3: Touch Chin
Stick out your tongue and try to lick the bottom of your chin and hold for 10 seconds, then relax. Repeat 10 times.

Exercise 4: Push Tongue Left
Stick out your tongue and move it as far as you can to the left and hold for 10 seconds, then relax. Repeat 10 times.

Exercise 5: Push Tongue Right
Stick out your tongue and move it as far as you can to the right and hold for 10 seconds, then relax. Repeat 10 times.

Exercise 6: Roll Tongue
Roll your tongue by folding the edges toward the middle lengthwise, so it looks like the end of a taco shell. Stick it out as far as you can while keeping it folded and hold for 10 seconds, then relax. Repeat 10 times.

Exercise 7: Click the Tongue
Make a loud clicking sound with the tongue against the roof of the mouth. Click the tongue for 15 seconds and then repeat 10 times.

Exercise 8: Push the Tongue Against a Spoon
Push the tip of your tongue firmly against a spoon held in front of your lips for 10 seconds. Keep the tongue straight and don't let it point downwards. Repeat 10 times.

Exercise 9: Hold a Spoon
Place the handle of a metal spoon between your lips and hold it in place with only your lips for 10 seconds. Do not place the handle between your teeth. Try to keep it parallel to the floor. As your strength improves, you can place other small objects on the spoon for added weight (i.e., sugar cube). Repeat 10 times.

Exercise 10: Hold a Button
For children and adults who are not at risk of swallowing a button, tie one to a piece of string at least 10 cm in length. Place the button between the teeth and lips. Purse your lips tightly and pull out on the string, not letting it slip out. Pull for 10 seconds, then relax. Repeat 10 times. For added difficulty, place the button flat between the lips.

I say have at it. (for maybe 50% result) Example AHI 50 to AHI 25 (maybe)

I think I will stick with CPAP therapy.

JPB

Stuff that ain't PAP therapy generally ends up helping about half the people who try it to improve their AHI by about half. Not a great result.

So if someone can't or won't use the gold standard of treatment, other stuff may be better than nuthin', but not truly comparable.

45 minutes a day?
But my LEG exercises!
I would lose hopping distance.
The cranes would have a barbecue.

crave303 wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 15, 2020 5:20 am

Cynicism and bad jokes aside,

BAD JOKES!?!?!