Thought I had back sleeping problem but turns out it's rem sleep disorder

Rob K wrote: ↑

Wed May 13, 2020 7:12 pm

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I'm struggling to get the Somnopose .csv files from the iphone to my Windows 10 computer. ...

Get a google account if you don't already have one.
You can transfer .csv files to google drive on your iPhone and then open google drive on your win10.
Another alternative is dropbox, same methodology, using a free dropbox account.

Chris

Somnopose is on my friends old iphone that I'm borrowing. We sent the Somnopose charts to his icloud account and tried emailing them to my computer. This is not working because in both cases the file that Somnopose is exporting is some type of Somnopose file and not a general purpose csv file.

This is the file name that gets exported from Somnopose.
repose-1.sqlite3

Have not been able to get the app to export a csv file. Not finding any app info on the internet to help with that. Any insight would be great.

Rob K wrote: ↑

Wed May 13, 2020 8:38 pm

Somnopose is on my friends old iphone that I'm borrowing. We sent the Somnopose charts to his icloud account and tried emailing them to my computer. This is not working because in both cases the file that Somnopose is exporting is some type of Somnopose file and not a general purpose csv file.

This is the file name that gets exported from Somnopose.
repose-1.sqlite3

Have not been able to get the app to export a csv file. Not finding any app info on the internet to help with that. Any insight would be great.

Fortunately, sqlite3 files are supposed to be pretty simple. Why not start with a conversion technique as outlined here?
https://www.sqlitetutorial.net/sqlite-t ... xport-csv/

I haven't experimented much with sqlite, but if there isn't some proprietary scheme or password protection, you may be able to simply pull the data out.

Chris

Finally figured out a way to get a csv file from the iphone to Oscar. It does give you the option transferring all the data at once but when I did that it corrupted the Oscar data. Had to redo it and import one night at a time into Oscar. Several of the export options in Somnopose I could not get to work. Seems like a real buggy process. Definitely not user friendly. At least I was able to get it done.

Anyway the orientation chart is no real dramatic because of the scaling. It does show that I have an active night. I'm getting movements that are as much as 35 degrees while I'm sleeping. Most of the activity is during the blocks of time with erratic breathing and clustering of events. Pressure will ramp up during these times and leak rate goes up also probably because I'm jostling around. Getting a lot of events that are in the 8-10 second range. AHI is low because the machine only counts the events that are 10 seconds or longer.

For a perspective on degree of movement:
3:15am those are 30 degree movements while sleeping.
5:20am is a wake up on back and 100 degree shift to my side.

This is the Somnopose chart for the same night and how it looks with the iphone app. The the red zone is labeled "up" which is laying on back position. Then of course right and left for side sleeping.

Each segment is 45 Degrees so the line in the middle of the red zone represents laying flat on your back. The lines down the middle of the yellow and purple zones represent a 90 degree shift which would be laying perfectly on ones side.

That's cool!

Julie wrote: ↑

Sat May 16, 2020 5:47 pm

That's cool!

I thought it was petty awesome also. It's great to be able to reference sleeping position to the cpap data.

The first night I was surprised to see how much I move around. Now to figure out what's causing it. It doesn't appear to be purely a back sleeping problem since I'll have periods on my back where breathing and lack of movements are looking great. I'll also have some periods of side sleeping where things aren't looking to good. Still leaning toward a rem sleep problem. One thing is for sure, once all the craziness starts happening I'll end up on my back and wake up in that position several times a night.

Julie wrote: ↑

Sat May 16, 2020 5:47 pm

That's cool!

+1 Agreed! Well done Rob K!

Rob, maybe you're not getting enough deep sleep. I think I have the same issue. My AHI is low at around the 3 range but I think my issue is moving around too much. You might look into a fitness tracker. Easy to wear plus tracks how much you move around in your sleep. I'm trying to quit caffeine completely to improve deep sleep.

I have also thought not enough deep sleep has been a problem for 8-9 years including the seven years on cpap. If I could sleep 10 hours or more I usually feel good. 8 hours or less and I'm pretty tired every day. Have been on cpap for seven years and thought that treating the apnea would take care of the tired run down feeling I have every day, but it hasn't. I had to figure something out so I'm always studying. Maybe finally onto something here with all the moving around during sleep.

I've had one soda in the last month or two. I don't drink coffee. I do eat chocolate a fair amount but not a lot of it. Usually chocolate chip cookies I'm certain caffeine is not the problem. It does affect me though when I have it.

What fitness trackers are you thinking of?

Although it seems to be pretty buggy the Somnopose files can be imported directly into Oscar for comparing the data. Another annoying thing I just figured out is that you have to import them every time you start Oscar. The imported files are not saved.

Interestingly I just had a conversation with someone that has sleep apnea and cpap wasn't working for them. Still tired and exhausted. They found out they move around a lot during sleep. The doctor prescribed Valium and now they sleep through the whole night. Will keep it in mind as a final option if it comes to that. Will exhaust all possibilities since I hate meds.

I was just reading about the Dreem 2 headband. The data imports directly into Oscar. It supposedly is one of the most accurate eeg(brain activity) consumer devices out there. Supposed to be 90% as accurate as eeg in the sleep lab. That's way better than most sleep trackers. It also tracks heart rate, sleeping position and oxygen level. Costs a fair amount at around $500. Compare that to what ones health is worth then it doesn't appear to bad. If it helps resolve chronic health problems then it would be money well spent.

I'm thinking my next step may be the Dreem 2 headband and or a video recorder to collect more data and get solid evidence of what's going on. Will take longer to figure things out, but still way cheaper than going to the doc and paying a large deductible and possibly another sleep test. Plus I will have learned far more than just going to the doc and having the answers handed to me.

I have the Garmin Vivosmart 4 because it records SpO2 at night but the Fitbit equivalent would be the Charge 3 and I think they have a 4 now. If you eat a good amount of chocolate, especially after lunch, that does have enough caffeine to effect sleep. I think eating too close to sleep also effects sleep. Small meals should be 3 hours or more before bed and large meals 4-5 hours before bed. Philips makes a sleep headband too called the SmartSleep Deep Sleep Headband. I just ordered 2 pink noise generators / fans, they are made by Honeywell. My goal is to eliminate all caffeine and no eating near bed time.

Thanks I'll take a look at those devices.

I was just reviewing the data from my polysomnography from 5 years ago. It shows periodic limb movements during N3 deep sleep stage only. Movements were present both with and without cpap. I suspect these movements have gotten worse. Whether it's deep sleep or rem stage it seems they are a problem now or likely always have been and that's why I've never felt rested for years.

Here's an update. Still monitoring things and still jostling around a lot every night. It seems to be very consistent with certain stages of sleep. Have been studying and working on figuring out what devices I can or may want to get. Also talking to people and learning from their experiences. Right now I believe I need to learn as much as I can about periodic limb movements and their treatment.