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OSCAR data display question

Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2020 5:48 pm
by unknown12345
Hi,

Pls see below graph from OSCAR for my AirCurve 10 ASV settings:
AirCurve_10_Settings_pic1.JPG
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Which means pressure ranges would be : (8.2 <= EPAP <= 15) and (8.2 <= IPAP <= 23) ... correct?
If so, then why in the "Statistics" section it shows "Max EPAP = 18.0" ?? (red underlined)

Below pic is the pressure blotter for the same night (3/2/2020), as you can see max EPAP (green line in the graph) never went above "15.0"
AirCurve_10_Settings_pic2.JPG
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Is there a bug in the OSCAR?

Thx.

Re: OSCAR data display question

Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2020 5:53 pm
by unknown12345
Forgot to include OSCAR version, here it is:
AirCurve_10_Settings_OSCAR_Version.JPG
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Re: OSCAR data display question

Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2020 6:01 pm
by Pugsy
OSCAR has more than one little bug. :lol: :lol:
Even more bugs when people are using the various ASV kind of machines.
You found one of them...just ignore it.

Re: OSCAR data display question

Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2020 6:08 pm
by zonker
unknown12345 wrote:
Mon Mar 09, 2020 5:48 pm
Hi,

Pls see below graph from OSCAR for my AirCurve 10 ASV settings:
AirCurve_10_Settings_pic1.JPG

Which means pressure ranges would be : (8.2 <= EPAP <= 15) and (8.2 <= IPAP <= 23) ... correct?
If so, then why in the "Statistics" section it shows "Max EPAP = 18.0" ?? (red underlined)

Below pic is the pressure blotter for the same night (3/2/2020), as you can see max EPAP (green line in the graph) never went above "15.0"
AirCurve_10_Settings_pic2.JPG
Is there a bug in the OSCAR?

Thx.
you may want to report this in the first thread-

viewtopic/t175269/OSCAR-Suggestions-amp ... rting.html

Re: OSCAR data display question

Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2020 6:10 pm
by Pugsy
It's already a known bug....no need to report it.

Re: OSCAR data display question

Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2020 6:11 pm
by zonker
Pugsy wrote:
Mon Mar 09, 2020 6:10 pm
It's already a known bug....no need to report it.
which is prolly why you didn't suggest it! :lol:

again, HOW do you keep all this "stuff" in your head?

Re: OSCAR data display question

Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2020 1:22 pm
by unknown12345
Pugsy wrote:
Mon Mar 09, 2020 6:01 pm
OSCAR has more than one little bug. :lol: :lol:
Even more bugs when people are using the various ASV kind of machines.
You found one of them...just ignore it.
Curiosity question : From the clinician manual I am deducing that pressure(s) are determined as follows:

(Min EPAP <= EPAP <= Max EPAP) and
[ (Min EPAP <= IPAP <= (Max EPAP + Max PS) ]

correct ?

If so, then how is "Min PS" used by the algorithm?

Thx.

Re: OSCAR data display question

Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2020 1:27 pm
by chunkyfrog
Some heads have room for stuff that other heads disregard.

It's just how we are wired.

Re: OSCAR data display question

Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2020 1:34 pm
by unknown12345
unknown12345 wrote:
Wed Mar 11, 2020 1:22 pm
Pugsy wrote:
Mon Mar 09, 2020 6:01 pm
OSCAR has more than one little bug. :lol: :lol:
Even more bugs when people are using the various ASV kind of machines.
You found one of them...just ignore it.
Curiosity question : From the clinician manual I am deducing that pressure(s) are determined as follows:

(Min EPAP <= EPAP <= Max EPAP) and
[ (Min EPAP <= IPAP <= (Max EPAP + Max PS) ]

correct ?

If so, then how is "Min PS" used by the algorithm?

Thx.

Forgot to include pic from manual, see below:
AirCurve_10_Pressure_Range.JPG
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Based on the above pic, then may be I got the IPAP formula wrong!!

If so, is IPAP range calculated as follows?? (note the addition of "Min PS" in red)

[ (Min EPAP + Min PS) <= IPAP <= (Max EPAP + Max PS) ]

Re: OSCAR data display question

Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2020 2:21 pm
by Pugsy
unknown12345 wrote:
Wed Mar 11, 2020 1:22 pm
Pugsy wrote:
Mon Mar 09, 2020 6:01 pm
OSCAR has more than one little bug. :lol: :lol:
Even more bugs when people are using the various ASV kind of machines.
You found one of them...just ignore it.
Curiosity question : From the clinician manual I am deducing that pressure(s) are determined as follows:

(Min EPAP <= EPAP <= Max EPAP) and
[ (Min EPAP <= IPAP <= (Max EPAP + Max PS) ]

correct ?

If so, then how is "Min PS" used by the algorithm?

Thx.
In what context? Minimum PS is nothing more than the minimum difference between inhale and exhale.
What I have always wondered about (and couldn't ever find out anything) was what in the algorithm tells the machine to vary the PS or increase it from the minimum when a variable PS is available...and why and how much.
I know big PS is needed to deal with central apneas...that rather large burst of PS so that the difference between inhale and exhale is substantial....what about minor differences? I never could find any real documentation as to what, how or how much drives the algorithm to do its job.