Is there a mask with a decent enough check valve to release your exhale?

Pugsy wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 08, 2020 10:43 am

The pressure can't move the tongue or force the tongue to do anything.
I know you think the pressure is hurricane force winds but even at the max setting it can't even blow up a balloon.

If the teeth are sore....most likely from the mask or mask straps putting too much pressure on the teeth. The mask is simply too tight.
This is the most common error that people make in an effort to manage leaks. These masks don't have to be vise tight to keep from leaking and in fact most of the time too tight actually causes leaks more because the masks need to inflate to seal and when too tight they can't inflate.

I have been using cpap for over 10 years now....my teeth have never been sore and they haven't moved either.

It's weird, I know, but this has been happening these past 2 or 3 nights that I've been able to wear the mask consistently. I do make sure I have as loose as possible though. I'll pay more attention tonight what's going on, but I really think it's my tongue. I'll report back. In the mean time I'm excited to get the Bleep soon. I can't wait to ditch this mask.

Now you might be pushing with your tongue but it's not the pressure causing the tongue to push.
These machines simply don't generate enough force to move something like the tongue. The tongue is just way too strong.

A cpap can not push enough air to blow up a balloon.
Think of Rover joyfully hanging his head out the car window.
Channel your inner hound and groove on the airflow.

realshelby wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 03, 2020 6:59 am

P30i vs N30i: I have both. They both vent at the top hose connection in the elbow. That seems a good distance for exhaled air to travel to get out, but you CAN feel warm exhaled air come out of this vent. They both also have a highly diffused venting system built into the cushion or pillow. You can hardly feel the air coming out of these, but wet your hand and then feel the air. More comes out than you might have thought! So, both models have TWO venting systems.

Regarding the P30i: There's a vent in the cushion, but there is hardly any air flowing through that system. Put the mask on without hose, close the top vent with your hand and try to breath only through this vent system in the cushion, it's hardly impossible. So what is that micro-venting good for, anyways? Definitely, there's an airflow while the mask is working through the cushion, but what for?

I'm asking not only for curiosity but I've tried to pimp my P30i as I own an older cushion without that filter. It's louder than the new one, so I've inserted a suitable tissue which I can easily clean. I've put that amount of tissue in there so that its airflow is about the one of the new cushion. Works awesome.

Mike

multicast wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 09, 2020 6:11 am

Put the mask on without hose, close the top vent with your hand and try to breath only through this vent system in the cushion, it's hardly impossible. So what is that micro-venting good for, anyways? Definitely, there's an airflow while the mask is working through the cushion, but what for?

That vent is not designed for breathing with the top vent closed. It's there to carry exhaled air out of the dead space in the mask. Closing the top vent is not something that should be done in actual use.

The mask works as it should. It had thousands of hours of testing before being released to users. It's been in successful nightly use by tens of thousands of users.

The mask is a novel and excellent design. The hose attachment point being on the top of the head is more stable. It makes hose management easier. Other designs, most of which have the hose attaching directly the mask, are much more prone to cause mask leaks.

The mask gets mostly five- and four-star reviews by verified users on cpap.com.

multicast wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 09, 2020 6:11 am

realshelby wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 03, 2020 6:59 am

P30i vs N30i: I have both. They both vent at the top hose connection in the elbow. That seems a good distance for exhaled air to travel to get out, but you CAN feel warm exhaled air come out of this vent. They both also have a highly diffused venting system built into the cushion or pillow. You can hardly feel the air coming out of these, but wet your hand and then feel the air. More comes out than you might have thought! So, both models have TWO venting systems.

Regarding the P30i: There's a vent in the cushion, but there is hardly any air flowing through that system. Put the mask on without hose, close the top vent with your hand and try to breath only through this vent system in the cushion, it's hardly impossible. So what is that micro-venting good for, anyways? Definitely, there's an airflow while the mask is working through the cushion, but what for?

I'm asking not only for curiosity but I've tried to pimp my P30i as I own an older cushion without that filter. It's louder than the new one, so I've inserted a suitable tissue which I can easily clean. I've put that amount of tissue in there so that its airflow is about the one of the new cushion. Works awesome.

Mike

There is a big difference in volume and pressure. You cannot feel much air out of the diffuser on the P30i ( P10, N30i, N30 ) because there is a pressure drop as air comes out of the diffuser. Because it heads in several directions out of many outlets by design that allows plenty of volume without pressure. Pressure you can feel and hear. Like when the vent of some masks blow against your arm or pillow or blanket. Yes, there is additional venting at the elbow on these masks. That would allow a little less venting at the nose piece, making it quieter and less disruptive. I have on one or two occasions had the top vent wake me when it would blow against the pillow just right.
Modifying a vent isn't something I want to experiment with. As stated in other posts, there is a LOT of testing put into these masks before they come to market.

multicast wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 09, 2020 6:11 am

Regarding the P30i: There's a vent in the cushion, but there is hardly any air flowing through that system. Put the mask on without hose, close the top vent with your hand and try to breath only through this vent system in the cushion, it's hardly impossible. So what is that micro-venting good for, anyways? Definitely, there's an airflow while the mask is working through the cushion, but what for?

You're not supposed to be able to breathe through the vent, it's there to flush out the air you exhale, which happens not only during your exhalation period, but also the time when your exhale tapers off and you pause before taking a new breath, ergo, the airflow out of the vent isn't necessarily as fast as you would normally exhale, but it still flushes the air out.

Hey. Just reporting back. Yea teeth still hurting. I dont know why but when on my stomach, my tongue somehow wants to press against my front teeth making them sore. I definitely never had that problem before using the CPAP. My guess is that when my tongue relaxes after falling asleep that the pressure has something to do with it even though it's not high pressure like you've explained.
Whatever, not a big deal, just reporting back. I'm glad I'm actually able to breath. I just gotta get past the anxiety of feeling like I need more air. I suffer with that everynight when going to bed to make matters even worse. It's like I feel like I need to get that deep satisfying breath to relax and if i can't get it, I panic. You know like when you run and then you're out of breath after you stop....you breath heavily to catch your breath, then you get that really deep one that feels like it triggers your diaphragm or lungs or something and it gives you that extra air that relaxes you. Idk how to explain it.


The Bleep I'm gonna wear tonight for the first time.

Just to reiterate what caused all this, I was never able to sleep on my back since I gained weight but I was always able to sleep on my stomach. I got a little heavier in the past few months now and I am waking up on my stomach often now with the apnea. It's scary cause now I'm out of positions to sleep and now I need this. It's pure torture this sleep apnea. I've been eating extremely healthy lately to drop weight because I'm so scared and uncomfortable with all this goin on. I'm very thankful for everyone's help on this forum in making all this work with the items I have. I know everyone has their own life and I really appreciate it.

I have a sleep study again Monday. Hopefully I can get through it this time and get a new machine and get these Bleep strips covered under insurance.

I believe someone said to ask for the Resmed machine? Correct?

They have the take home sleep study now. Does anyone advise to stay at their facility over doing it at home?

Johnds wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 11, 2020 6:36 pm

I believe someone said to ask for the Resmed machine? Correct?

Not just the ResMed machine, either the Resmed AirSense 10 AutoSet or the Resmed AirSense 10 AutoSet for Her.

Don't let the for Her branding bother you, it's actually the superior machine.

You want an AutoSet (Auto adjusting, APAP) machine because it can adjust to your changing needs throughout the night and from night to night. This may be of particular important to you because of your changing sleep position and the potential to lose weight.

Dog Slobber wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 11, 2020 7:20 pm

Johnds wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 11, 2020 6:36 pm

I believe someone said to ask for the Resmed machine? Correct?

Not just the ResMed machine, either the Resmed AirSense 10 AutoSet or the Resmed AirSense 10 AutoSet for Her.

Don't let the for Her branding bother you, it's actually the superior machine.

You want an AutoSet (Auto adjusting, APAP) machine because it can adjust to your changing needs throughout the night and from night to night. This may be of particular important to you because of your changing sleep position and the potential to lose weight.

i firmly believe getting onto the "for her" machine was a major reason my therapy finally took off and did so well.

to the OP: don't worry about the "for her" name. it's just another algorithm to use if you need it outside of apap.

zonker wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 11, 2020 8:08 pm

i firmly believe getting onto the "for her" machine was a major reason my therapy finally took off and did so well.

to the OP: don't worry about the "for her" name. it's just another algorithm to use if you need it outside of apap.

Plus:
Chicks dig guys who use the AutoSet for Her.

Dog Slobber wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 11, 2020 8:10 pm

zonker wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 11, 2020 8:08 pm

i firmly believe getting onto the "for her" machine was a major reason my therapy finally took off and did so well.

to the OP: don't worry about the "for her" name. it's just another algorithm to use if you need it outside of apap.

Plus:
Chicks dig guys who use the AutoSet for Her.

yeah, but i only have YOUR word on that and i don't know how big your, er, sample size is.

Bleep question:

I really want to like the Bleep but I think it's going to annoy me. Is it normal for the air to be so noisy coming out of the exhaust holes?

It sounds more noisy when inhaling, like an oxy-acetylene torch. I'm not sure if anyone can sleep next to me lol

You should call Stuart, the owner, I know they have been working on a prototype diffuser. A diffuser makes it really quiet. You can DIY one yourself as well.

Johnds wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 12, 2020 6:12 am

Bleep question:

I really want to like the Bleep but I think it's going to annoy me. Is it normal for the air to be so noisy coming out of the exhaust holes?

It sounds more noisy when inhaling, like an oxy-acetylene torch. I'm not sure if anyone can sleep next to me lol

There has been a lot of complaints about the Bleep's diffusing.

The fix has been to attach a ResMed Filter over the vent.

Here's pale rider's solution:
viewtopic/t174807/BleepDreamPort-nasal- ... 5#p1290433

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