Aerophagia

Sleepy-eyes · Post by **Sleepy-eyes** » Sun Feb 18, 2007 9:04 am

About a week or so ago, someone asked if turning off their C-FLEX would help to decrease or stop Aerophagia. I thought about it a while and responded that I didn't see how it could possibly have any correlation. BOY, was I ever wrong. I got to thinking about it..........for a few days actually, because I'm a slow thinker (more a ponderer!) , and thought I'd give it a try. Nothing else I've tried has had any effect on the problem. I turned off my C-FLEX, and just left my pressure at the RX of 15. It felt awkward at first, and I had just a tad bit of Aerophagia the first night. But by the time I woke up the next morning, breathing was no problem. I've continued that for this past week and I don't foresee going back on C-FLEX!!!!! I don't have any problem breathing and exhaling at the same pressure, and I've not had any problem with Aerophagia. Wonder of all wonders!!!

WillSucceed · Post by **WillSucceed** » Sun Feb 18, 2007 9:19 am

Good on ya'!!! I'm glad that you have found a solution -aerophagia can be some hateful.

tomjax · Post by **tomjax** » Sun Feb 18, 2007 9:37 am

I would be very cautious in coming to conclusions based on your observations.
May be directly related, may be coincidental.
If you wait a week or so and go back, you may or may not get the same results. This may help or it may not in determining this relationship.

When I used my plain CPAP I would occasionally have a few days- maybe 2 to 3 of severe aeropagia and then it would go away..
I noticed a couple of time when going from sea level in Jax, Fl to Atlanta, it would be severe, but back to normal when I got back.
Not sure how to assess this- coincidence or related?
I never was able to relate any specific variables that I was convinced resulted in the occasional bouts.
Some mysteries in life have no explanation, Some do.

WillSucceed · Post by **WillSucceed** » Sun Feb 18, 2007 12:22 pm

Who cares if it is incidental or directly related? If the goal is comfortable sleep, and feeling rested during the day, and user gets this with C-FLEX turned off, then I'd not worry about incidental/direct relation. I'd just enjoy the comfort and feeling alive again.

tomjax · Post by **tomjax** » Sun Feb 18, 2007 1:17 pm

WillSucceed wrote:Who cares if it is incidental or directly related? If the goal is comfortable sleep, and feeling rested during the day, and user gets this with C-FLEX turned off, then I'd not worry about incidental/direct relation. I'd just enjoy the comfort and feeling alive again.

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Sleepy-eyes · Post by **Sleepy-eyes** » Sun Feb 18, 2007 1:42 pm

[quote="tomjax"]I would be very cautious in coming to conclusions based on your observations.
May be directly related, may be coincidental.
If you wait a week or so and go back, you may or may not get the same results. This may help or it may not in determining this relationship.

When I used my plain CPAP I would occasionally have a few days- maybe 2 to 3 of severe aeropagia and then it would go away..
I noticed a couple of time when going from sea level in Jax, Fl to Atlanta, it would be severe, but back to normal when I got back.
Not sure how to assess this- coincidence or related?
I never was able to relate any specific variables that I was convinced resulted in the occasional bouts.
Some mysteries in life have no explanation, Some do.

WillSucceed · Post by **WillSucceed** » Sun Feb 18, 2007 2:04 pm

Tomjax... I agree with you. My comment was directly related to Sleepy-eyes' comment about finding relief. Not science in general, just his personal relief, which he described. He was only talking about his experience and I wanted to encourage him to enjoy the relief that he is feeling rather than worry about the "why" of it.

Sorry if my encouragement sounded misleading!

Wulfman · Post by **Wulfman** » Sun Feb 18, 2007 2:34 pm

Way to go, Chris!!!

I'm so glad it worked for you!

Remember what I told you a couple of weeks ago.....?

To use the worn out phrase......Hang in there!
Sometimes it takes awhile to find the right combination.

Keep hangin' in there, buddy.

Den

tomjax · Post by **tomjax** » Sun Feb 18, 2007 3:26 pm

If you were having severe aerophagia and you turned the CFLEX OFF, I do not understand this. Intuitively, it would seem the opposite way around.
Perhaps some mechanism is at work here I am not considering and hope the better brains could help here.

I seem to remember in the past several postings about the problem and it was relieved with bipap.

The fact that aerophagia seems to go away on its own with immediate relief can confound explanations.

I have no idea why I have had it happen several times- more in the early years and none since APAP.
If I had been told to rub a penny on my nose and then had no aerophagia that night, what could I conclude?
What if I did not rub the penny on my nose and it went away?

WillSucceed · Post by **WillSucceed** » Sun Feb 18, 2007 3:43 pm

Tomjax wrote:

If you were having severe aerophagia and you turned the CFLEX OFF, I do not understand this. Intuitively, it would seem the opposite way around.

Fly in ointment discovered! Tomjax, give a read to the commentary about C-FLEX and "breath-stacking."

Sleepy-eyes · Post by **Sleepy-eyes** » Sun Feb 18, 2007 4:29 pm

Tomjax,

That was exactly my point! When I read someone ask if turning off the C-FLEX would help Aerophagia, my answer was basically "no". I couldn't imagine why it would help ..................................and I still have no idea why my Aerophagia stopped the night I turned mine off. But who cares why? I just care that the action and the results happened at the very same time. And I felt a responsibility to report that. If you want to throw a wet blanket on my results because there's no scientific proof it works, then fine, that's okay with me. I still have the result I was seeking and what you think about that doesn't affect my comfort at all.

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tomjax · Post by **tomjax** » Sun Feb 18, 2007 5:11 pm

Sleep- I am not questioning your results. I am confused.
From having it SEVERAL nights and then having immediate results, it increases the probability you are correct.

Will succeed. what is the link you are talking about? I am trying to understand HOW and WHY something so counter- intuitive is at play here.

I also wonder if others have had this result.

I wonder what would happen in a few weeks, you turned the cflex back on.
Did you NOT have the problem for a long time on cflex and then suddenly have it or was it gradual?

Why do others seem to have improvement after bipap, if this is correct?
But I gotta get back to Britneys shaved head and the Anna Nicole Smith soap opera. Not to mention the astronaut lady. I have no time for anything else.

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What three words you don't want to hear when making love?
Honey, I'm home.

WillSucceed · Post by **WillSucceed** » Sun Feb 18, 2007 6:47 pm

Tomjax:

A thousand apologies... I should have included a link (if I knew how to do links) or an explanation.
Here is what I was referring to:

C-FLEX can cause some people to have "breath-stacking." For some, the action of C-FLEX causes them to start inhaling BEFORE they fully finish exhaling. The CO2 builds up and they start panting, breathing fast, heart racing... then they wake up, which lets them get their breathing back into a normal cycle.

So, I would encourage you to follow through with talking with your Dr., etc., but as an experiment, you could try turning C-FLEX completely off, not just down to 1, but fully off. You have to get into the clinical menu to do this. Give it a try, you might be pleasantly surprised! And, if not, you can always turn it back on.

Sorry for the confusion.

WifeIsHappyNow · Post by **WifeIsHappyNow** » Sun Feb 18, 2007 7:47 pm

I have just gone through the same thing. I had been using C-Flex and changed it from 3 to 2 to 1 and had it there for a couple of weeks. I was having some aerophagia, nothing too horrible. Luckily it would all work out before I left the house in the morning.

Anyway, I read another post here that some people had success turning C-Flex completely off, so I gave it a shot. First night, a little bit better, but not too much. I was going to turn it back on, but decided I'd give it another night. Woke up this morning and no problems at all. We'll see where it goes from here...

I don't really understand it either. It does seem counter-intuitive, but I guess when you consider breath-stacking, it makes some sense...

Mike

Sleepy-eyes · Post by **Sleepy-eyes** » Sun Feb 18, 2007 9:39 pm

Tomjax,

I've been on a CPAP machine since last September. I've really struggled with this entire therapy. I've had troubles with my full beard and masks. I've tried 3 different masks so far and think I'm on the right track. I've ended up with a NasalAire II...............but I'm a mouth-breather, so I've had to go to using a chin strap. Anyone who uses one will tell you it doesn't completely solve the problem....................so I made and now use a mouth strap also. Aerophagia has been a complaint of mine ever since I started finding a solution to my leak problems. The fewer the leaks, the more air I "ate"! The past 3 months it's been continual Hell! Relentless nights of swallowing air and belching all night long and even into the day after rising. I tried everything suggested, except changing machines...........because that's just not an option for me. Then I tripped onto this suggestion and tried it. As I said, my first night was a whole lot better than all the past. And then, not one night since have I experienced the problem. I don't know why...........nor do I care why. I'm just happy to be sleeping like a baby................something I haven't done in years.

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