Help Interpreting Sleepyhead Results

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Re: Help Interpreting Sleepyhead Results

Post by zonker » Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:02 pm

KnightSleeper wrote:
Tue Mar 05, 2019 11:45 am

It seems sometimes when awakening, like this morning, a number of "events" pop-up after you're awake. Of course, this doesn't always happen. Is it better to shut things down sooner when you're going to be getting up, rather than just chillin' thinking you're going to get some easy road ahead with no events?...lol.
i'm retired, so take this with a grain of salt. there are more times than not when i "wake up early" and just lay there until i feel damned good and ready to get up. i'm a fairly lazy person who has spent far too much of his life being blasted out of bed at some ungodly hour just so i could be to work on time.

mind you, i'm not laying there sighing or wondering why i've woke up when i have. i just think about the day before or maybe about the day ahead. none of this prompts me to get out of bed. and if i see SWJ in my charts, i simply disregard it.

so i just leave the machine on. i feel it's doing me good whether i'm asleep or not.

i've often thought that i'm very glad i wasn't working while trying to get used to cpap. i really don't think i could've made it.
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Re: Help Interpreting Sleepyhead Results

Post by palerider » Tue Mar 05, 2019 3:25 pm

KnightSleeper wrote:
Tue Mar 05, 2019 11:45 am
ERP
Nitpick: EPR, not ERP. And, I nitpick things like that because if you decide to do some googling to find out more, you'll not get many, if any, good results with misspellings. Exhalation Pressure Relief...
KnightSleeper wrote:
Tue Mar 05, 2019 11:45 am
At that time, my pressure takes a good swing up which I guess is normal when you wake-up. Based on my pressure graph, I just might have woken up at 5 and 5:30 too... ?
Might be you woke up at the end of a REM cycle, (which is normal, you're awake, or just *barely* asleep in between sleep cycles). and maybe you need more pressure during REM (common). so, it might not be waking up that's causing the pressure to rise.
KnightSleeper wrote:
Tue Mar 05, 2019 11:45 am
I'm not sure anything that significant is showing up in last night's graphs vs prior night's...? AHI did go from 3.37 to 2.21, so that's a step in the right direction. And leaks seem to be under control...a benefit of using the p10!

Well, your nights are going to vary... that's why we want to work on averages.
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Tue Mar 05, 2019 11:45 am
I'm thinking of using a 1 ERP tonight to see the "comfort difference". I really didn't notice much difference between the two nights breathing on exhale...maybe just slightly more force needed to exhale last night, but not really bothersome...
EPR is, like I said, mainly a 'comfort' thing, and that's very individual... like humidity, some people really need it, some don't. The only way to figure out what *you* need is to experiment. I can't remember if you can change EPR while the machine is running.
KnightSleeper wrote:
Tue Mar 05, 2019 11:45 am
It seems sometimes when awakening, like this morning, a number of "events" pop-up after you're awake. Of course, this doesn't always happen. Is it better to shut things down sooner when you're going to be getting up, rather than just chillin' thinking you're going to get some easy road ahead with no events?...lol.
Well, it depends on whether you're chasing numbers or not :D Since you're awake, and you know you're awake, any flagged events don't count, and what we're really concerned with is sleep...

I use the AHI as a high level indicator about whether to dig deeper, but I don't worry about it too much, what's important is what the chart looks like, not trying to sum it up into a number. Plus, since breathing gets wonky both as you're going to sleep, and waking up, I usually don't pay much attention to anything happening at the beginning and end of the night.
KnightSleeper wrote:
Tue Mar 05, 2019 11:45 am
Do people ever use a notepad/journal type thing where they make a quick note about waking, etc... or would that be too disruptive to the whole process?
Certainly, some folks just use the notes in sleepyhead so they can go back and look at a chart, and then remember how they felt... "feel good today" "had too many drinks last night, feel bad" and get a correlation between what the charts looked like and how they felt.

Any kind of journal helps you to be mindful of what you were doing, and how it might have impacted your sleep, and how you feel as a result.
Is that what you were asking?

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Re: Help Interpreting Sleepyhead Results

Post by zonker » Tue Mar 05, 2019 4:50 pm

palerider wrote:
Tue Mar 05, 2019 3:25 pm

Nitpick: EPR, not ERP. And, I nitpick things like that because if you decide to do some googling to find out more, you'll not get many, if any, good results with misspellings. Exhalation Pressure Relief...
actually, i like sound of erp better.

or is that urp?

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Re: Help Interpreting Sleepyhead Results

Post by katestyles » Tue Mar 05, 2019 5:13 pm

zonker wrote:
Tue Mar 05, 2019 4:50 pm
palerider wrote:
Tue Mar 05, 2019 3:25 pm

Nitpick: EPR, not ERP. And, I nitpick things like that because if you decide to do some googling to find out more, you'll not get many, if any, good results with misspellings. Exhalation Pressure Relief...
actually, i like sound of erp better.

or is that urp?

:lol: :lol:
You get both of those sounds with aerophagia!

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Re: Help Interpreting Sleepyhead Results

Post by palerider » Tue Mar 05, 2019 9:53 pm

KnightSleeper wrote:
Tue Mar 05, 2019 4:42 pm
On the "notes thing", I was wondering if you jotted down a note after just waking up in the middle of the night, i.e, 3:05 woke up, 5:15 mask flew across the room, :lol: , etc... I think I can pretty much just make a mental note and remember those things anyway.
I myself don't, but it's a good idea to do, and other people do make notes... If someone had suggested it to me back when I was starting, I might well have made notes. :)
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I like your idea of using Sleepyhead to make general overall notes as to how I feel after a nights sleep... also noting when I may have drank a bit more alcohol than normal (which is normally very little) But graduation party on Saturday - so I should see an uptick on that... :lol:

Btw, I assume you're on a pretty good even keel with your own treatment...at least I hope so! Thanks again Palerider for all your help!
I looked when someone else asked recently, and my year AHI average was 0.19. I've been at this for a little over 9 years, so yah, it's pretty even.

The big thing for me was moving from a fixed pressure machine to an auto machine. A few years ago, I realized I wasn't feeling so good, I hadn't looked at my data for a while, so I pulled it into sleepyhead, and saw that my AHI had been increasing for a month... that's when I decided to get an auto machine, so that it could take care of me when I needed more pressure, instead of my having to check the data every day, or every few days (I'm lazy, I admit it... that's why I try to automate as much as I can :D)

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Re: Help Interpreting Sleepyhead Results

Post by palerider » Tue Mar 05, 2019 9:56 pm

zonker wrote:
Tue Mar 05, 2019 4:50 pm
palerider wrote:
Tue Mar 05, 2019 3:25 pm

Nitpick: EPR, not ERP. And, I nitpick things like that because if you decide to do some googling to find out more, you'll not get many, if any, good results with misspellings. Exhalation Pressure Relief...
actually, i like sound of erp better.

or is that urp?

:lol: :lol:
And see? that's part of the problem, confusion :P

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Re: Help Interpreting Sleepyhead Results

Post by palerider » Tue Mar 05, 2019 9:59 pm

KnightSleeper wrote:
Tue Mar 05, 2019 5:25 pm
zonker wrote:
Tue Mar 05, 2019 4:50 pm
palerider wrote:
Tue Mar 05, 2019 3:25 pm

Nitpick: EPR, not ERP. And, I nitpick things like that because if you decide to do some googling to find out more, you'll not get many, if any, good results with misspellings. Exhalation Pressure Relief...
actually, i like sound of erp better.

or is that urp?

:lol: :lol:
Thanks Zonker, but you have to give palerider credit...one way or the other, he always seems to save the day! :lol:
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Re: Help Interpreting Sleepyhead Results

Post by palerider » Tue Mar 05, 2019 11:13 pm

KnightSleeper wrote:
Tue Mar 05, 2019 11:06 pm
Wow!!! .19 AHI annual average??? Of course I'm new here, but that's the lowest I've ever heard of!!! Congrats!!!
Frankly, I was surprised, I'm so busy helping people here, I don't have much time to check my own data.... hah... just when I think there might be an issue.

Lots of people, from what I remember, are in the same boat... check it every day, then as things get to a good place, less often till there's just spot checks, as long as things are still doing well.
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Thanks! That has to be a collector's item!!! - - I guess Zonker must have a dozen or two by now!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
I thought he was in charge of handing them out... I thought I saw a tub of 'em on his welcome cart.

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Re: Help Interpreting Sleepyhead Results

Post by Dog Slobber » Wed Mar 06, 2019 10:16 am

KnightSleeper wrote:
Tue Mar 05, 2019 11:06 pm
palerider wrote:
Tue Mar 05, 2019 9:59 pm
Here's your PaleRider Fan Club membership button. ;)
Thanks! That has to be a collector's item!!! - - I guess Zonker must have a dozen or two by now!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Help Interpreting Sleepyhead Results

Post by zonker » Wed Mar 06, 2019 1:38 pm

KnightSleeper wrote:
Wed Mar 06, 2019 12:18 pm

hmmmm...I'm confused! At first I thought Zonker was the president of the PFC... but now, Dog Slobber introduces someone else who is claiming PaleRider "Rocks It" and is passing out PFC Buttons! Maybe the new person is the outgoing Spirit Squad Chairman?!?!? :?

dog slobber is referencing a user who came and complained about palerider's attitude. yes, there are people who complain about him!

so ds was having a joke at pr's expense. but in a nice way. not saying ds was dissing pr...
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Re: Help Interpreting Sleepyhead Results

Post by Dog Slobber » Wed Mar 06, 2019 2:48 pm

KnightSleeper wrote:
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ps: Why is Zonker always eating popcorn???
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Re: Help Interpreting Sleepyhead Results

Post by zonker » Wed Mar 06, 2019 2:54 pm

Dog Slobber wrote:
Wed Mar 06, 2019 2:48 pm
KnightSleeper wrote:
Wed Mar 06, 2019 12:18 pm

ps: Why is Zonker always eating popcorn???

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Re: Help Interpreting Sleepyhead Results

Post by palerider » Wed Mar 06, 2019 3:53 pm

I just don't... I... :Shakes head:

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Re: Help Interpreting Sleepyhead Results

Post by Pugsy » Wed Mar 06, 2019 10:57 pm

KnightSleeper wrote:
Wed Mar 06, 2019 10:46 pm
I asked a question this morning, but I think it got burried under Zonker's popcorn...

Question: Can a mask make a difference with AHI scores? It may be coincidental, but I got my lowest score with a "nasal mask"(Eson2) .9 AHI :D ; Since I've been using my p10 ("pillow mask") I seem to be getting a little higher readings... today's 2.54... :( I'd like to get to the other side of "1" like palerider!

So, bottom line, do all masks give the same results, all other things being equal, pressure, EPR, etc...?
Maybe. :lol:

More likely just a coincidence....we can have some rather wide variations in AHI and not change anything. We simply don't sleep the same each night.

There can be some minor differences in pressure needs with some masks with some people (not everyone) but mainly it is when comparing nasal masks vs full face masks. Fairly often when people go to a full face mask from a nasal mask they will need 2 to 4 cm more pressure to get essentially the same results.

To really evaluate things...we always need the event category breakdown when someone mentions the AHI numbers.
That P10 AHI of 2.54 ...what is the breakdown into each category?
And what was the breakdown of the ESON AHI?
And also need to know how the sleep quality was for the nights in question...sleep soundly or lots of wake ups.
There's a lot involved when comparing mask results than just the AHI number and no other information.

I had a night a couple months ago where my AHI was 3.56....didn't change a thing and my AHI usually runs around 1.0 or less.
I took the time to look at each event flagged and none of them were flagged when I was asleep...I was awake for every single one of them. Crappy night's sleep...not from sleep apnea or the mask or the machine but instead crappy sleep and lots of wake ups, tossing and turning due to back pain.
The entire AHI was SWJ sleep/wake/junk. I had zero apneas of any kind while asleep...probably because I didn't really get much real sleep. :lol:

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Re: Help Interpreting Sleepyhead Results

Post by palerider » Wed Mar 06, 2019 11:31 pm

KnightSleeper wrote:
Wed Mar 06, 2019 10:46 pm
I asked a question this morning, but I think it got burried under Zonker's popcorn...

Question: Can a mask make a difference with AHI scores? It may be coincidental, but I got my lowest score with a "nasal mask"(Eson2) .9 AHI :D ; Since I've been using my p10 ("pillow mask") I seem to be getting a little higher readings... today's 2.54... :( I'd like to get to the other side of "1" like palerider!

So, bottom line, do all masks give the same results, all other things being equal, pressure, EPR, etc...?
Well, yes... but usually that's when you're talking about a FFM vs nasal/pillow... because the FFM can push the lower jaw backwards, narrowing the airway, and thus requiring more pressure to keep it open.

I haven't heard anything like that with nasal vs pillow though... maybe you just had an 'off' night.

And, you're right... I think all the popcorn broke me for a while earlier...

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