Setting CPAP in neutral to evaluate untreated apnea?
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Setting CPAP in neutral to evaluate untreated apnea?
Is it possible to set your CPAP such that it only measures your apneas without treating it? Basically to do the equivalent of a sleep study to see the delta between treatment and no treatment?
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No, it's not possible.Highlander wrote: ↑Wed Feb 13, 2019 1:42 amIs it possible to set your CPAP such that it only measures your apneas without treating it? Basically to do the equivalent of a sleep study to see the delta between treatment and no treatment?
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Re: Setting CPAP in neutral to evaluate untreated apnea?
The lowest you can go is 4 pressure and wear it and view the results on sleepyhead and resmeds watered down my air app online everyday. It does actually work to extent but it’s not perfect, I thought the same thing as I’m doing study’s right now with just my mouthpiece in to get a better gauge if it’s working or not. They probably could technically somehow design cpap machine to do this in the future but I doubt they ever will. Lately, I’ve been wondering why resmed and all these companies of cpap are making it easy for anyone to know what’s even going on with the statistics of sleep/machine either through the my air app or just being able to allow the machine to extract data on a sd card using open source sleepyhead. They could easily lock it down and encrypt the data so only doctors have access to it. I’m sure if I told any of my sleep doctors I was analyzing my own data they would frown upon it and tell me only they have the knowledge and if you want your data and explained to you, that’s going to cost you. I guess it’s all about people wanting transparency and we should have a right to know easily what our numbers are etc. thanks to technology age everything is exposed
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Re: Setting CPAP in neutral to evaluate untreated apnea?
Also, I doubt 4cm isn’t doing anything for osa that blowing a fan on my face can’t do. It’s such a low setting especially if your original pressure was calling for 15 let’s say. Personally if someone is getting treated on cpap at 4 max. I would say it’s questionable why they are even using it in the first place.
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It's a lot more than blowing a fan at your face. That's just dumb.ravenous28 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:03 amAlso, I doubt 4cm isn’t doing anything for osa that blowing a fan on my face can’t do. It’s such a low setting especially if your original pressure was calling for 15 let’s say. Personally if someone is getting treated on cpap at 4 max. I would say it’s questionable why they are even using it in the first place.
4 still provides some splinting effect.
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Re: Setting CPAP in neutral to evaluate untreated apnea?
My family doctor, the one who is treating me for sleep apnea, was fine with me adjusting my pressure to whatever I needed. He was glad that I was able to change it to where I need it and that it was working for me.ravenous28 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:56 amI’m sure if I told any of my sleep doctors I was analyzing my own data they would frown upon it and tell me only they have the knowledge and if you want your data and explained to you, that’s going to cost you.
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Re: Setting CPAP in neutral to evaluate untreated apnea?
Why are you such a jerk to people on these forums? I mean serious do you act this way in real life or just online?palerider wrote: ↑Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:19 amIt's a lot more than blowing a fan at your face. That's just dumb.ravenous28 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:03 amAlso, I doubt 4cm isn’t doing anything for osa that blowing a fan on my face can’t do. It’s such a low setting especially if your original pressure was calling for 15 let’s say. Personally if someone is getting treated on cpap at 4 max. I would say it’s questionable why they are even using it in the first place.
4 still provides some splinting effect.
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Re: Setting CPAP in neutral to evaluate untreated apnea?
I'm dumb for replying to this.ravenous28 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:40 amWhy are you such a jerk to people on these forums? I mean serious do you act this way in real life or just online?
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Re: Setting CPAP in neutral to evaluate untreated apnea?
Believe it or not but people do come out of an in lab titration with a recommended pressure of 4 or 5 cm need to hold the airway open.
While most of us feel that 4 or 5 cm might be useless or uncomfortable....that's not really the case. There is therapy value even at 4 cm and for some people...it's enough to prevent airway collapses.
That's why we can't say for sure that no flagged apnea events at 4 cm means no apnea. We don't know for sure because it might just be enough for that person.
Admittedly not common and most people will need more pressure for either comfort or to hold the airway open ....but there are people who find that 4 cm is fine in terms of comfort and it hold the airway open just fine....just not many of those people floating around.
But they are out there. I personally know of 2 of those people...came out of an in lab, tech attended, titration sleep study with an RX for 4 cm and they do quite well on 4 cm in terms of OSA prevention. One of those people did move to 5 just for comfort though. 4 cm was a bit uncomfortable in terms of air movement and the stifling feeling.
While most of us feel that 4 or 5 cm might be useless or uncomfortable....that's not really the case. There is therapy value even at 4 cm and for some people...it's enough to prevent airway collapses.
That's why we can't say for sure that no flagged apnea events at 4 cm means no apnea. We don't know for sure because it might just be enough for that person.
Admittedly not common and most people will need more pressure for either comfort or to hold the airway open ....but there are people who find that 4 cm is fine in terms of comfort and it hold the airway open just fine....just not many of those people floating around.
But they are out there. I personally know of 2 of those people...came out of an in lab, tech attended, titration sleep study with an RX for 4 cm and they do quite well on 4 cm in terms of OSA prevention. One of those people did move to 5 just for comfort though. 4 cm was a bit uncomfortable in terms of air movement and the stifling feeling.
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Re: Setting CPAP in neutral to evaluate untreated apnea?
Nope. But running a low fixed pressure, or a wide range, will still tell you a lot. If you suspect OSA, set an APAP to 4 - 20, which is purposely suboptimal, and see what happens.
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Re: Setting CPAP in neutral to evaluate untreated apnea?
I'm only a "jerk" about stupid things that are posted that mislead people. I have very little tolerance for stupidity.ravenous28 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:40 amWhy are you such a jerk to people on these forums? I mean serious do you act this way in real life or just online?palerider wrote: ↑Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:19 amIt's a lot more than blowing a fan at your face. That's just dumb.ravenous28 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:03 amAlso, I doubt 4cm isn’t doing anything for osa that blowing a fan on my face can’t do. It’s such a low setting especially if your original pressure was calling for 15 let’s say. Personally if someone is getting treated on cpap at 4 max. I would say it’s questionable why they are even using it in the first place.
4 still provides some splinting effect.
"blowing a fan at your face = 4cm pressure. NOPE.
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Re: Setting CPAP in neutral to evaluate untreated apnea?
Ok well it wasn’t meant to be taken out of context and to get you all bent out of shape. What my point was is that someone who is originally prescribed 15cm like me isn't going to do very good or much on 4cm, unless they don’t suffer from sleep apnea anymore like they used to by some miracle. What I meant was 4cm is nothing compared to someone used to 15 pressure cpap was all I was trying to say. I don’t think anyone can disagree with that. It wasn’t meant to be taken literally as putting a fan by my bedside to think I’m treating my osa. Sorry if you think I actually meant that. As you are aware, yes I’m doing my own testing with an tap 3 oral device with cpap on 4cm to get a better baseline on the mouthpiece and I really don’t care if you think I’m stupid for doing so. Im also doing official sleep study’s with the oral device and working with my doctors as well. I’m so sorry have little very little tolerance for my stupidity. I guess it must make you feel good or something to go around calling people dumb online without knowing the full details of why I said what I said. I’ll do you a huge favor and leave these boards then. I’m not and never was trying to mislead anyone. I just hope now people don’t go out buying fans from homedepot thinking becausepalerider wrote: ↑Wed Feb 13, 2019 11:58 amI'm only a "jerk" about stupid things that are posted that mislead people. I have very little tolerance for stupidity.ravenous28 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:40 amWhy are you such a jerk to people on these forums? I mean serious do you act this way in real life or just online?palerider wrote: ↑Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:19 amIt's a lot more than blowing a fan at your face. That's just dumb.ravenous28 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:03 amAlso, I doubt 4cm isn’t doing anything for osa that blowing a fan on my face can’t do. It’s such a low setting especially if your original pressure was calling for 15 let’s say. Personally if someone is getting treated on cpap at 4 max. I would say it’s questionable why they are even using it in the first place.
4 still provides some splinting effect.
"blowing a fan at your face = 4cm pressure. NOPE.
I suggested it online at cpaptalk and it will treat their osa. So in a real way I thank you for calling me out on that. That’s not what I’m suggesting at all. I would think most people should have better common sense then that. You’re right though I fear the damage might already be done now and someone’s going to think this about a fan. Yes I’m stupid please don’t go out and think a bedside fan is going to treat your osa if you were prescribed 4cm of pressure. If it makes the forum moderator feel better or anyone else, please delete my posts and comments and account. Please consult your doctor first before listening to anyone online tell you how to treat your osa or play around with settings, especially me. Again sorry for offending anyone here and sorry what i said, Goodbye.
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I never said you were stupid. I said that the fan thing was a stupid thing to say, and yes, some newbies that know nothing yet *may* be mislead by what you said.ravenous28 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:54 pmThat’s not what I’m suggesting at all. I would think most people should have better common sense then that. You’re right though I fear the damage might already be done now and someone’s going to think this about a fan. Yes I’m stupid please don’t go out and think a bedside fan is going to treat your osa if you were prescribed 4cm of pressure. If it makes the forum moderator feel better or anyone else, please delete my posts and comments and account. Please consult your doctor first before listening to anyone online tell you how to treat your osa or play around with settings, especially me. Again sorry for offending anyone here and sorry what i said, Goodbye.
Things that may mislead people that don't know any better tend to get squashed fast and hard here. That's one of the reasons that this forum is so good for getting good, reliable information.
Sorry if that hurts your feelers.
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Re: Setting CPAP in neutral to evaluate untreated apnea?
My Sleep Apnea was over 150 AHI, I went to Rural King and got a Barn Fan 60 inch Dia, on high my Sleep Apnea dropped to 2 AHI. Good Treatment and low cost, except for some reason the fan is loud, and uses a lot of electric. I set two bales of hay in front of it for a filter, never needs changing, but for some reason allergies seem worse. (Not True, Don't try this at home, but I know someone here will!)ravenous28 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:54 pmOk well it wasn’t meant to be taken out of context and to get you all bent out of shape. What my point was is that someone who is originally prescribed 15cm like me isn't going to do very good or much on 4cm, unless they don’t suffer from sleep apnea anymore like they used to by some miracle. What I meant was 4cm is nothing compared to someone used to 15 pressure cpap was all I was trying to say. I don’t think anyone can disagree with that. It wasn’t meant to be taken literally as putting a fan by my bedside to think I’m treating my osa. Sorry if you think I actually meant that. As you are aware, yes I’m doing my own testing with an tap 3 oral device with cpap on 4cm to get a better baseline on the mouthpiece and I really don’t care if you think I’m stupid for doing so. Im also doing official sleep study’s with the oral device and working with my doctors as well. I’m so sorry have little very little tolerance for my stupidity. I guess it must make you feel good or something to go around calling people dumb online without knowing the full details of why I said what I said. I’ll do you a huge favor and leave these boards then. I’m not and never was trying to mislead anyone. I just hope now people don’t go out buying fans from homedepot thinking becausepalerider wrote: ↑Wed Feb 13, 2019 11:58 amI'm only a "jerk" about stupid things that are posted that mislead people. I have very little tolerance for stupidity.ravenous28 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:40 amWhy are you such a jerk to people on these forums? I mean serious do you act this way in real life or just online?palerider wrote: ↑Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:19 amIt's a lot more than blowing a fan at your face. That's just dumb.ravenous28 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:03 amAlso, I doubt 4cm isn’t doing anything for osa that blowing a fan on my face can’t do. It’s such a low setting especially if your original pressure was calling for 15 let’s say. Personally if someone is getting treated on cpap at 4 max. I would say it’s questionable why they are even using it in the first place.
4 still provides some splinting effect.
"blowing a fan at your face = 4cm pressure. NOPE.
I suggested it online at cpaptalk and it will treat their osa. So in a real way I thank you for calling me out on that. That’s not what I’m suggesting at all. I would think most people should have better common sense then that. You’re right though I fear the damage might already be done now and someone’s going to think this about a fan. Yes I’m stupid please don’t go out and think a bedside fan is going to treat your osa if you were prescribed 4cm of pressure. If it makes the forum moderator feel better or anyone else, please delete my posts and comments and account. Please consult your doctor first before listening to anyone online tell you how to treat your osa or play around with settings, especially me. Again sorry for offending anyone here and sorry what i said, Goodbye.
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Re: Setting CPAP in neutral to evaluate untreated apnea?
I know... your right. It does hurt my feelings because now I worry the fan comment will be taken seriously by some newb on a cpap and they will suffer even more now with their osa condition. I asked the forum moderator to hopefully delete this post and my account for the stupid things I said. I won’t post anything more. I’m certainly not qualified to telling anyone anything or comment about cpap or osa. Thanks for pointing this out, seriously. No harsh feelings, take care everyone and good luck with your osa please consult your doctor. As for me, I will work directly with my sleep doctor to hopefully get sound advise. Again sorry everyone if you misunderstood what I was saying about the 4cm atleast in regards with what I was trying to do with my dental device. I didn’t mean it the way it was pointed out. Online is stuff is great to finding things out but it’s also dangerous. I see this clearly now.palerider wrote: ↑Wed Feb 13, 2019 1:44 pmI never said you were stupid. I said that the fan thing was a stupid thing to say, and yes, some newbies that know nothing yet *may* be mislead by what you said.ravenous28 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:54 pmThat’s not what I’m suggesting at all. I would think most people should have better common sense then that. You’re right though I fear the damage might already be done now and someone’s going to think this about a fan. Yes I’m stupid please don’t go out and think a bedside fan is going to treat your osa if you were prescribed 4cm of pressure. If it makes the forum moderator feel better or anyone else, please delete my posts and comments and account. Please consult your doctor first before listening to anyone online tell you how to treat your osa or play around with settings, especially me. Again sorry for offending anyone here and sorry what i said, Goodbye.
Things that may mislead people that don't know any better tend to get squashed fast and hard here. That's one of the reasons that this forum is so good for getting good, reliable information.
Sorry if that hurts your feelers.
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