Veteran user with seemingly sudden problems

General Discussion on any topic relating to CPAP and/or Sleep Apnea.
wdotdiddlysquat
Posts: 13
Joined: Sat Feb 02, 2019 10:12 am

Veteran user with seemingly sudden problems

Post by wdotdiddlysquat » Sat Feb 02, 2019 11:17 am

I'm new to the forum and hope I can adequately articulate the issues I'm having with a chance of solving some of my problems. I've been using my machine for about 3 years now with roughly the same settings (have tried a titration study at one point due to not noticing any benefits from cpap therapy. Was unable to tolerate the increase in pressure and had severe throat infection settle in, resulting in several courses of antibiotics and even steroids, until we finally called off the study and resumed my previous lower pressure).
My settings are as follows: Ramp Time: Auto, Humidity: 3, Start pressure 4.0 with auto ramp to 8.0 pressure. I've always used the AirFit P10 nasal pillows mask, with some changes in the pillows and strap over the time. I began with the XS pillows and have worked my way up to Mediums as they seem to be the most comfortable of all of them that I've tried. I do have a smaller sized nose, so they thought the smaller size would be good to begin with when I was fitted, but I found I was having a lot of leaks and adjustments with XS. I did switch to the For Her version over the last year to get a better fit because I was having a hard time with the strap stretching out a lot before it was time for insurance to pay for a replacement. I have experienced a large amount of weight loss, so it was suggested by my DME providor that I made need it to accommodate my smaller size. I do use the clips that are included to tighten the straps as they get looser. One at the top of my neck/base of my head and one on the top of my head.
I initially didn't have any problems adjusting to the machine or pillows and acclimated to it very quickly. I haven't ever been one to sleep with my mouth open or to rip my mask off in my sleep. So, I began using my cpap I believe in 2015. Although I can't say that I have ever felt any great benefits from being on it, I can definitely tell a difference in how my chest and breathing feels if I do not sleep with it for a nap. I have been 100% compliant at night with it though.
For the record, I mostly sleep on my back and occassionally will sleep on my right side. Before treatment I would alternate sides and back many times through the night, but this is the most notable thing I've noticed since beginning therapy. I now will usually fall asleep and wake in the same place. Definitely sleeping more soundly!

I'll try to outline my current problems:
I had bariatric surgery in late 2017 and have since lost 140lbs, stabalizing in late 2018. Something strange happened after that surgery and ever since then, I will wake up with super dry mouth, even though my mouth is closed. People feel adamant that I am now breathing through my mouth, but I am sure I am not because I will wake up with it closed and with my lips glued shut as well as my tongue plastered to the top of my mouth. Of course, this has been a concern for me because I don't want to have my dental health suffer because of a dry environment each night. I've tried playing with the humidity settings but nothing seems to change how dry my mouth gets each night. I've mentioned it to my doctors but I get met with a shrug but not much of a concern from them. My other issue with adjusting humidity is that I frequently wake up with a lot of moisture on my upper lip area, right under my pillows. Even if I have a great seal, according to my machine and by feel, I can have enough moisture to feel drips going down my face. Other nights though I'll have a dry lip. I can't seem to isolate where that issue is coming from. Perhaps my pillow size isn't right? I haven't noticed changing my humidity levels has really helped or hindered it, but logic tells me that raising them will cause it to get worse. So, this problem has been ongoing for a couple years now, but it was a very sudden change from what I experience prior to the surgery. I had never had dry mouth issues prior to that and I do not have dry mouth during my waking hours.

My next problem is that over the last couple months I am noticing more and more nights with a red face score upon waking. Some nights I'll be aware that I've had leaks and had to adjust it during the night and others I have no idea that anything was amiss and I'll be surprised to see that rating. I've tried switching out all of my parts to make sure everything was fresh and tight but I'm still not getting any better consistency. I have not changed any equipment, so I don't understand why I am suddenly having so many poor ratings when I have literally been sleeping the same for so long.

I've also noticed over the last couple months that I'm having a lot of excess gas. I'm waking a lot in the night or in the morning feeling very full of gas in my abdomen and having a lot of pressure and discomfort. Nothing feels different as far as my seal. I don't feel like I'm swallowing air or breathing irregularly when I'm awake, but of course, I am not present when I'm sleeping. Not sure how to address this. But, I know I have never had this issue before, and again nothing has been changed with equipment, pressure or sleeping positions. My weight loss has been stable for over a year now too, so I can't say that my pressure is suddenly much different for my needs...

Finally, I have recently been experiencing a sore inside of my nostril on occasion. I frequently use lanolin to help lubricate during the day and before sleep but I've found once one of these sores develops I can not get it to heal until I finally break down and use an antibiotic ointment my dr has prescribed I'll have to use it several times a day for many days to finally get it to heal. Again, can't really tell a cause other than irritation from either the pillow or the air pressure, but I haven't isolated any exact cause of when it might be causing an injury this time vs any other night.

I know a lot of these things are kind of a shot in the dark, but I know a lot of you are a lot more educated and have experience in these issues than I do. I feel like I'm not even sure who to ask as far as my medical providers any more because I don't have a provider that is directly watching this therapy any more. I'm sure I could reestablish with a pulmo or the like, but with a 15 min intake appt, I feel like I'll be left spending lots of money in trial and error and follow ups with a lot of shrugs first. So, that's basically why its been a few months of just limping by and living with it and not really knowing what else to try. I've thought about maybe needing to try a new mask, but it's the beginning of the year, which means my deductible isn't met and I don't know if it's worth the costs it would be to do all of that :?

User avatar
palerider
Posts: 32299
Joined: Wed Dec 16, 2009 5:43 pm
Location: Dallas(ish).

Re: Veteran user with seemingly sudden problems

Post by palerider » Sat Feb 02, 2019 1:51 pm

wdotdiddlysquat wrote:
Sat Feb 02, 2019 11:17 am
AirFit P10 ... , I will wake up with super dry mouth, even though my mouth is closed. People feel adamant that I am now breathing through my mouth, but I am sure I am not because I will wake up with it closed and with my lips glued shut as well as my tongue plastered to the top of my mouth.
Nope, you're leaking through your mouth. Accept it, deal with it.

Chin straps don't work, try a soft headband, like a scunci, worn over your lips.... viewtopic.php?f=1&t=112758&st=0&sk=t&sd ... i#p1086296 If that doesn't work, tape your lips.
wdotdiddlysquat wrote:
Sat Feb 02, 2019 11:17 am
Of course, this has been a concern for me because I don't want to have my dental health suffer because of a dry environment each night. I've tried playing with the humidity settings but nothing seems to change how dry my mouth gets each night. I've mentioned it to my doctors but I get met with a shrug but not much of a concern from them. My other issue with adjusting humidity is that I frequently wake up with a lot of moisture on my upper lip area, right under my pillows. Even if I have a great seal, according to my machine and by feel, I can have enough moisture to feel drips going down my face. Other nights though I'll have a dry lip. I can't seem to isolate where that issue is coming from. Perhaps my pillow size isn't right? I haven't noticed changing my humidity levels has really helped or hindered it, but logic tells me that raising them will cause it to get worse.
See above, mouth leaks.
wdotdiddlysquat wrote:
Sat Feb 02, 2019 11:17 am
My next problem is that over the last couple months I am noticing more and more nights with a red face score upon waking. Some nights I'll be aware that I've had leaks and had to adjust it during the night and others I have no idea that anything was amiss and I'll be surprised to see that rating. I've tried switching out all of my parts to make sure everything was fresh and tight but I'm still not getting any better consistency. I have not changed any equipment, so I don't understand why I am suddenly having so many poor ratings when I have literally been sleeping the same for so long.
See above, leaks.
wdotdiddlysquat wrote:
Sat Feb 02, 2019 11:17 am
I've also noticed over the last couple months that I'm having a lot of excess gas. I'm waking a lot in the night or in the morning feeling very full of gas in my abdomen and having a lot of pressure and discomfort. Nothing feels different as far as my seal. I don't feel like I'm swallowing air or breathing irregularly when I'm awake, but of course, I am not present when I'm sleeping. Not sure how to address this. But, I know I have never had this issue before, and again nothing has been changed with equipment, pressure or sleeping positions. My weight loss has been stable for over a year now too, so I can't say that my pressure is suddenly much different for my needs...
I'm hoping that you've listed the wrong machine in your profile, go here:wiki/index.php/CPAP_models
, find your machine, and then make sure you've got the right one listed in your profile.

_________________
Mask: Bleep DreamPort CPAP Mask Solution
Additional Comments: S9 VPAP Auto
Get OSCAR

Accounts to put on the foe list: dataq1, clownbell, gearchange, lynninnj, mper!?, DreamDiver, Geer1, almostadoctor, sleepgeek, ajack, stom, mogy, D.H., They often post misleading, timewasting stuff.

User avatar
zonker
Posts: 11335
Joined: Fri Jun 19, 2015 4:36 pm

Re: Veteran user with seemingly sudden problems

Post by zonker » Sat Feb 02, 2019 1:55 pm

with apologies to the op-

palerider? i notice you've change your sig. i also notice it doesn't list your machine, just your mask. has it always been so or am i just now noticing it?
people say i'm self absorbed.
but that's enough about them.
Oscar-Win
https://www.apneaboard.com/OSCAR/OSCAR-1.5.1-Win64.exe
Oscar-Mac
https://www.apneaboard.com/OSCAR/OSCAR-1.5.1.dmg

User avatar
zonker
Posts: 11335
Joined: Fri Jun 19, 2015 4:36 pm

Re: Veteran user with seemingly sudden problems

Post by zonker » Sat Feb 02, 2019 2:03 pm

wdotdiddlysquat wrote:
Sat Feb 02, 2019 11:17 am
I'm new to the forum and hope I can adequately articulate the issues I'm having with a chance of solving some of my problems.
welcome to the zoo! i think you've done a good job in introducing us to your issues. i won't go into all of them; others will be by.

but i wanted to echo palerider. using the scunci hairbands(with some modifications) helped lower my ahi significantly. leaks are a thing of the past as i use this method plus a foam cervical collar. as you can see in my sig, i use a P10 too.

also like palerider i hope you have selected the wrong machine in your profile. see if it's not the one in my sig by clicking on it to see a picture.

also, did you know you can shrink up your P10 straps by washing them and of course letting them dry?

good luck!
people say i'm self absorbed.
but that's enough about them.
Oscar-Win
https://www.apneaboard.com/OSCAR/OSCAR-1.5.1-Win64.exe
Oscar-Mac
https://www.apneaboard.com/OSCAR/OSCAR-1.5.1.dmg

User avatar
Dog Slobber
Posts: 4237
Joined: Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:05 pm
Location: Ontario, Canada

Re: Veteran user with seemingly sudden problems

Post by Dog Slobber » Sat Feb 02, 2019 2:30 pm

No mouth strapping topic is complete without a picture of @zonker.


zonker.jpg
zonker.jpg (936.41 KiB) Viewed 792 times
Battery Backup: EcoFlow Delta 2

User avatar
zonker
Posts: 11335
Joined: Fri Jun 19, 2015 4:36 pm

Re: Veteran user with seemingly sudden problems

Post by zonker » Sat Feb 02, 2019 3:21 pm

Dog Slobber wrote:
Sat Feb 02, 2019 2:30 pm
No mouth strapping topic is complete without a picture of @zonker.



zonker.jpg
yikes! TRIGGER ALERT, TRIGGER ALERT!!

whoop, whoop, whoop, danger, danger, danger!!!
people say i'm self absorbed.
but that's enough about them.
Oscar-Win
https://www.apneaboard.com/OSCAR/OSCAR-1.5.1-Win64.exe
Oscar-Mac
https://www.apneaboard.com/OSCAR/OSCAR-1.5.1.dmg

User avatar
palerider
Posts: 32299
Joined: Wed Dec 16, 2009 5:43 pm
Location: Dallas(ish).

Re: Veteran user with seemingly sudden problems

Post by palerider » Sat Feb 02, 2019 4:51 pm

zonker wrote:
Sat Feb 02, 2019 1:55 pm
with apologies to the op-

palerider? i notice you've change your sig. i also notice it doesn't list your machine, just your mask. has it always been so or am i just now noticing it?
"they" keep breaking the equipment listings. for a while, the eq listing was showing the s9 vpap auto, then it wasn't, then it was again, now it's not... again.

_________________
Mask: Bleep DreamPort CPAP Mask Solution
Additional Comments: S9 VPAP Auto
Get OSCAR

Accounts to put on the foe list: dataq1, clownbell, gearchange, lynninnj, mper!?, DreamDiver, Geer1, almostadoctor, sleepgeek, ajack, stom, mogy, D.H., They often post misleading, timewasting stuff.

User avatar
zonker
Posts: 11335
Joined: Fri Jun 19, 2015 4:36 pm

Re: Veteran user with seemingly sudden problems

Post by zonker » Sat Feb 02, 2019 5:42 pm

palerider wrote:
Sat Feb 02, 2019 4:51 pm
zonker wrote:
Sat Feb 02, 2019 1:55 pm
with apologies to the op-

palerider? i notice you've change your sig. i also notice it doesn't list your machine, just your mask. has it always been so or am i just now noticing it?
"they" keep breaking the equipment listings. for a while, the eq listing was showing the s9 vpap auto, then it wasn't, then it was again, now it's not... again.
as donovan sang "first there is a mountain, then there is no mountain, then there is". makes it hard to keep up! :lol:
people say i'm self absorbed.
but that's enough about them.
Oscar-Win
https://www.apneaboard.com/OSCAR/OSCAR-1.5.1-Win64.exe
Oscar-Mac
https://www.apneaboard.com/OSCAR/OSCAR-1.5.1.dmg

wdotdiddlysquat
Posts: 13
Joined: Sat Feb 02, 2019 10:12 am

Re: Veteran user with seemingly sudden problems

Post by wdotdiddlysquat » Sat Feb 02, 2019 6:05 pm

palerider wrote:
Sat Feb 02, 2019 1:51 pm
wdotdiddlysquat wrote:
Sat Feb 02, 2019 11:17 am
AirFit P10 ... , I will wake up with super dry mouth, even though my mouth is closed. People feel adamant that I am now breathing through my mouth, but I am sure I am not because I will wake up with it closed and with my lips glued shut as well as my tongue plastered to the top of my mouth.
Nope, you're leaking through your mouth. Accept it, deal with it.

Chin straps don't work, try a soft headband, like a scunci, worn over your lips.... viewtopic.php?f=1&t=112758&st=0&sk=t&sd ... i#p1086296 If that doesn't work, tape your lips.
wdotdiddlysquat wrote:
Sat Feb 02, 2019 11:17 am
Of course, this has been a concern for me because I don't want to have my dental health suffer because of a dry environment each night. I've tried playing with the humidity settings but nothing seems to change how dry my mouth gets each night. I've mentioned it to my doctors but I get met with a shrug but not much of a concern from them. My other issue with adjusting humidity is that I frequently wake up with a lot of moisture on my upper lip area, right under my pillows. Even if I have a great seal, according to my machine and by feel, I can have enough moisture to feel drips going down my face. Other nights though I'll have a dry lip. I can't seem to isolate where that issue is coming from. Perhaps my pillow size isn't right? I haven't noticed changing my humidity levels has really helped or hindered it, but logic tells me that raising them will cause it to get worse.
See above, mouth leaks.
wdotdiddlysquat wrote:
Sat Feb 02, 2019 11:17 am
My next problem is that over the last couple months I am noticing more and more nights with a red face score upon waking. Some nights I'll be aware that I've had leaks and had to adjust it during the night and others I have no idea that anything was amiss and I'll be surprised to see that rating. I've tried switching out all of my parts to make sure everything was fresh and tight but I'm still not getting any better consistency. I have not changed any equipment, so I don't understand why I am suddenly having so many poor ratings when I have literally been sleeping the same for so long.
See above, leaks.
wdotdiddlysquat wrote:
Sat Feb 02, 2019 11:17 am
I've also noticed over the last couple months that I'm having a lot of excess gas. I'm waking a lot in the night or in the morning feeling very full of gas in my abdomen and having a lot of pressure and discomfort. Nothing feels different as far as my seal. I don't feel like I'm swallowing air or breathing irregularly when I'm awake, but of course, I am not present when I'm sleeping. Not sure how to address this. But, I know I have never had this issue before, and again nothing has been changed with equipment, pressure or sleeping positions. My weight loss has been stable for over a year now too, so I can't say that my pressure is suddenly much different for my needs...
I'm hoping that you've listed the wrong machine in your profile, go here:wiki/index.php/CPAP_models
, find your machine, and then make sure you've got the right one listed in your profile.
Thanks for the input. I haven't heard of the headband idea, but I'll give it a try. I was once fairly sure I didn't have apnea because I didn't have the traditional symptoms (snoring, waking up gasping...), but despite feeling like I'm not finding myself in ways that would make sense that my mouth could have been open, I guess it's plausible that that must be the answer.
I changed the machine, hopefully got it right this time!

wdotdiddlysquat
Posts: 13
Joined: Sat Feb 02, 2019 10:12 am

Re: Veteran user with seemingly sudden problems

Post by wdotdiddlysquat » Sat Feb 02, 2019 6:08 pm

zonker wrote:
Sat Feb 02, 2019 2:03 pm
wdotdiddlysquat wrote:
Sat Feb 02, 2019 11:17 am
I'm new to the forum and hope I can adequately articulate the issues I'm having with a chance of solving some of my problems.
welcome to the zoo! i think you've done a good job in introducing us to your issues. i won't go into all of them; others will be by.

but i wanted to echo palerider. using the scunci hairbands(with some modifications) helped lower my ahi significantly. leaks are a thing of the past as i use this method plus a foam cervical collar. as you can see in my sig, i use a P10 too.

also like palerider i hope you have selected the wrong machine in your profile. see if it's not the one in my sig by clicking on it to see a picture.

also, did you know you can shrink up your P10 straps by washing them and of course letting them dry?

good luck!
Thanks for the welcome!
I did not know I could shrink them by washing them, and now I'm wondering why I never thought of that! :lol: Maybe if I was getting better sleep :wink:
I haven't heard anything about using a cervical collar, what's the thought process on it? Is it to hold your head in a certain place or to hold the straps in place...?

Out of curiosity, what was wrong with that other machine I'd chosen? You guys seemed very alarmed by it :lol: :!: :!: :!:

wdotdiddlysquat
Posts: 13
Joined: Sat Feb 02, 2019 10:12 am

Re: Veteran user with seemingly sudden problems

Post by wdotdiddlysquat » Sat Feb 02, 2019 6:10 pm

Dog Slobber wrote:
Sat Feb 02, 2019 2:30 pm
No mouth strapping topic is complete without a picture of @zonker.



zonker.jpg
Thanks for the pic! I'm a visual learner, so that was actually very helpful. Zonker, I am happy that you were willing to sacrifice yourself as an example for all the future needs of us mouthbreathers :lol:

User avatar
palerider
Posts: 32299
Joined: Wed Dec 16, 2009 5:43 pm
Location: Dallas(ish).

Re: Veteran user with seemingly sudden problems

Post by palerider » Sat Feb 02, 2019 6:37 pm

wdotdiddlysquat wrote:
Sat Feb 02, 2019 6:05 pm
I changed the machine, hopefully got it right this time!
Hopefully not, what does it say on the front of the machine? all the text. OR, the REF number off the back?

_________________
Mask: Bleep DreamPort CPAP Mask Solution
Additional Comments: S9 VPAP Auto
Get OSCAR

Accounts to put on the foe list: dataq1, clownbell, gearchange, lynninnj, mper!?, DreamDiver, Geer1, almostadoctor, sleepgeek, ajack, stom, mogy, D.H., They often post misleading, timewasting stuff.

User avatar
zonker
Posts: 11335
Joined: Fri Jun 19, 2015 4:36 pm

Re: Veteran user with seemingly sudden problems

Post by zonker » Sat Feb 02, 2019 7:09 pm

wdotdiddlysquat wrote:
Sat Feb 02, 2019 6:08 pm

Thanks for the welcome!
I did not know I could shrink them by washing them, and now I'm wondering why I never thought of that! :lol: Maybe if I was getting better sleep :wink:
I haven't heard anything about using a cervical collar, what's the thought process on it? Is it to hold your head in a certain place or to hold the straps in place...?

Out of curiosity, what was wrong with that other machine I'd chosen? You guys seemed very alarmed by it :lol: :!: :!: :!:
:lol: it's the wisdom of the crowd. i didn't know about shrinking the straps until i read it here. i just pass on this stuff, i rarely contribute anything original.

the foam cervical collar helps keep your jaw from dropping down and thus losing valuable therapy air out of your yap. for me, this collar lasts around 2 months or so. after that, it gets softer and softer until it's not really keeping my jaw shut.

not so much alarmed. we want to make sure that you have a machine that collects data about your sleep and allows access to that data via sd card.
people say i'm self absorbed.
but that's enough about them.
Oscar-Win
https://www.apneaboard.com/OSCAR/OSCAR-1.5.1-Win64.exe
Oscar-Mac
https://www.apneaboard.com/OSCAR/OSCAR-1.5.1.dmg

wdotdiddlysquat
Posts: 13
Joined: Sat Feb 02, 2019 10:12 am

Re: Veteran user with seemingly sudden problems

Post by wdotdiddlysquat » Sun Feb 03, 2019 8:53 pm

palerider wrote:
Sat Feb 02, 2019 6:37 pm
wdotdiddlysquat wrote:
Sat Feb 02, 2019 6:05 pm
I changed the machine, hopefully got it right this time!
Hopefully not, what does it say on the front of the machine? all the text. OR, the REF number off the back?
Resmed Airsense 10 Autoset

Ref 37028
It looks right when I click on the link?

User avatar
Pugsy
Posts: 65121
Joined: Thu May 14, 2009 9:31 am
Location: Missouri, USA

Re: Veteran user with seemingly sudden problems

Post by Pugsy » Sun Feb 03, 2019 8:59 pm

wdotdiddlysquat wrote:
Sun Feb 03, 2019 8:53 pm
Resmed Airsense 10 Autoset

Ref 37028
It looks right when I click on the link?
They look the same except for model name and model number.

In the equipment list scroll down to the R's and there you will find the ResMed Airsense 10 AutoSet.
Your link right now points to the ResMed AirSense 10 CPAP model and that's not the same thing at all.

_________________
Machine: AirCurve™ 10 VAuto BiLevel Machine with HumidAir™ Heated Humidifier
Additional Comments: Mask Bleep Eclipse https://bleepsleep.com/the-eclipse/
I may have to RISE but I refuse to SHINE.