New Product: SoClean Mask Wipes

palerider · Post by **palerider** » Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:16 pm

Becca59 wrote: ↑
Thu Jan 17, 2019 8:57 pm
But, I DO still love the smell of ozone in the air!

Sharper Image (which is now out of business) used to sell "air sanitizers" to "clean" your air. I believe ozone was used for them. Same principle. Maybe that is why they are now out of business.

Yes, ozone is harmful to your lungs, and that's why Sharper Image had to stop selling their "ionic breeze" air cleaners (they weren't sanitizers, and they didn't claim to be, they were *filters*... they'd cause stuff in the air to precipitate onto metal blades... and they worked quite well, but they produced some ozone as a side effect, and thus were pulled from the market. (I had several).

poppi2 · Post by **poppi2** » Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:38 pm

Becca59 wrote: ↑
Thu Jan 17, 2019 8:57 pm
.... My brother however .... said his sinus infections have cleared up because of the So Clean, so that is why I bought it. I have not told him it's not working that way for me. ....

My chronic sinus infections disappeared after I got my cpap therapy optimized. Plus, eliminated all nighttime trips to the loo and snoring (my wife wishes I had started cpap 51 years ago). Good luck, Earl

chunkyfrog · Post by **chunkyfrog** » Fri Jan 18, 2019 12:09 am

Never underestimate the placebo effect.

palerider · Post by **palerider** » Fri Jan 18, 2019 3:30 am

poppi2 wrote: ↑
Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:38 pm

Becca59 wrote: ↑
Thu Jan 17, 2019 8:57 pm
.... My brother however .... said his sinus infections have cleared up because of the So Clean, so that is why I bought it. I have not told him it's not working that way for me. ....
My chronic sinus infections disappeared after I got my cpap therapy optimized.

Mine didn't disappear, but they got much much less frequent, long before socrap were ever spawned from the fiery pit.

esel · Post by **esel** » Fri Jan 18, 2019 6:12 am

Should I use the SoClean for the Mask Wipes or the Mask Wipes for the SoClean ???

This SoClean is just confusing.

chunkyfrog wrote: ↑
Fri Jan 18, 2019 12:09 am
Never underestimate the placebo effect.

How does the placebo effect work with the SoClean ??? You know or don't know if you used the SoClean

chunkyfrog · Post by **chunkyfrog** » Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:13 am

esel wrote: ↑
Fri Jan 18, 2019 6:12 am
Should I use the SoClean for the Mask Wipes or the Mask Wipes for the SoClean ???

This SoClean is just confusing.

chunkyfrog wrote: ↑
Fri Jan 18, 2019 12:09 am
Never underestimate the placebo effect.
How does the placebo effect work with the SoClean ??? You know or don't know if you used the SoClean

Placebos appear to work because of BELIEF.
Believers believe that noclean works, in spite of scientific EVIDENCE.
Placebos are not always lookalike pills.
Museums display outrageous devices in the medical quackery exhibits.
Someday noclean will take its place alongside other exposed fakes.

palerider · Post by **palerider** » Fri Jan 18, 2019 12:39 pm

chunkyfrog wrote: ↑
Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:13 am

esel wrote: ↑
Fri Jan 18, 2019 6:12 am
Should I use the SoClean for the Mask Wipes or the Mask Wipes for the SoClean ???

This SoClean is just confusing.

chunkyfrog wrote: ↑
Fri Jan 18, 2019 12:09 am
Never underestimate the placebo effect.
How does the placebo effect work with the SoClean ??? You know or don't know if you used the SoClean
Placebos appear to work because of BELIEF.
Believers believe that noclean works, in spite of scientific EVIDENCE.
Placebos are not always lookalike pills.
Museums display outrageous devices in the medical quackery exhibits.
Someday noclean will take its place alongside other exposed fakes.

Further, studies show that even if you tell a person "this is a sugar pill, it'll make you feel better", then it does make them feel better... even if they are told it's fake, but they believe they'll feel better, they feel better.

chunkyfrog · Post by **chunkyfrog** » Fri Jan 18, 2019 1:17 pm

Belief is weird in that it can be more powerful than logic.
It would be interesting to see the results of a study of why and how this happens.
Advertisers, politicians, and many others use it all the time.
We really need to understand it as well as those who use it for unfair advantage.

jnk... · Post by **jnk...** » Fri Jan 18, 2019 1:31 pm

chunkyfrog wrote: ↑
Fri Jan 18, 2019 1:17 pm
It would be interesting to see the results of a study of why and how this happens.

There have been many, many studies of the whys and how. The problem is . . .

Placebo interventions vary in strength depending on many factors. For instance, an injection causes a stronger placebo effect than a tablet. Two tablets work better than one, capsules are stronger than tablets, and larger pills produce greater reactions. . . . One review of multiple studies found that even the color of pills made a difference to the placebo results.The placebo effect also varies between cultures. In treating gastric ulcers, the placebo effect is low in Brazil, higher in northern Europe and particularly high in Germany. However, the placebo effect on hypertension is lower in Germany than elsewhere. . . . The placebo effect changes from individual to individual, and its strength varies from one disease to the next. -- https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/306437.php

So, very difficult to study. Which is why it just has to be acknowledged and methodically factored out by the double-blind protocols used in all scientifically meaningful studies and especially trials. It's what every drug and every scientist competes against, in a sense. That article explores four of what some consider to be primary factors. And as a quote in that same article says . . .

Robert Buckman, clinical oncologist and professor of medicine, concludes that: "Placebos are extraordinary drugs. They seem to have some effect on almost every symptom known to mankind, and work in at least a third of patients and sometimes in up to 60 percent. They have no serious side-effects and cannot be given in overdose. In short, they hold the prize for the most adaptable, protean, effective, safe and cheap drugs in the world's pharmacopeia."

Personally, I would prefer to own a sham-SoClean than to own a real one. MUCH safer and more effective, IMO.

chunkyfrog · Post by **chunkyfrog** » Fri Jan 18, 2019 3:11 pm

Anything that reinforces faith in quackery, enhances the placebo effect.
Unfortunately, illusionists employ "psychic surgery" to extort money from desperate people;
whose faith helps them feel like they have been "cured",
--long enough to miss the benefits of real medicine in time.
Placebos are most useful in testing real drugs,
but they must look and taste identical to the tested product.
Placebo makers design custom formulations for each study.

esel · Post by **esel** » Mon Jan 21, 2019 6:38 am

palerider wrote: ↑
Fri Jan 18, 2019 12:39 pm

chunkyfrog wrote: ↑
Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:13 am

esel wrote: ↑
Fri Jan 18, 2019 6:12 am
Should I use the SoClean for the Mask Wipes or the Mask Wipes for the SoClean ???

This SoClean is just confusing.

chunkyfrog wrote: ↑
Fri Jan 18, 2019 12:09 am
Never underestimate the placebo effect.
How does the placebo effect work with the SoClean ??? You know or don't know if you used the SoClean
Placebos appear to work because of BELIEF.
Believers believe that noclean works, in spite of scientific EVIDENCE.
Placebos are not always lookalike pills.
Museums display outrageous devices in the medical quackery exhibits.
Someday noclean will take its place alongside other exposed fakes.
Further, studies show that even if you tell a person "this is a sugar pill, it'll make you feel better", then it does make them feel better... even if they are told it's fake, but they believe they'll feel better, they feel better.

So, if I believe, I can use my "SoClean" to sanitize the New Product: the "SoClean Mask Wipes". Right ?

So far I believed in CPAP... Is it wrong to believe in CPAP ???

ChicagoGranny · Post by **ChicagoGranny** » Mon Jan 21, 2019 6:51 am

esel wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 21, 2019 6:38 am
Is it wrong to believe in CPAP ???

Yes, it is wrong to "believe" in CPAP.

What is right is to "accept" the medical science that shows CPAP will hold your airway open while you are sleeping.

esel · Post by **esel** » Mon Jan 21, 2019 7:14 am

ChicagoGranny wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 21, 2019 6:51 am

esel wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 21, 2019 6:38 am
Is it wrong to believe in CPAP ???
Yes, it is wrong to "believe" in CPAP.

What is right is to "accept" the medical science that shows CPAP will hold your airway open while you are sleeping.

yea RIGHT,. my head may be able to, but my heart and my second brain "the gut" are not there yet. Too much air is going through that 2nd brain.

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