Think I'm about to get booted from another forum

[Janknitz]

I will consider it an honor!

On a diabetes website someone remarked about her high morning blood sugars and asked if it could be related to her untreated sleep apnea. I responded that it very well could and stated reasons--e.g. stress hormones all night from the apnea, effects on hormones including insulin, ghrelin, human growth hormone.

A moderator (moderator!) jumped in with "strictly following this dietary recommendation (Bernstein approach) may be considered "treating" this problem (sleep apnea) because weight loss often resolves it." (paraphrased) I responded that's not the case, even citing a study where even with significant weight loss only 10% of the subjects were "cured" of their sleep apnea, and a reminder that weight loss is often difficult or impossible with untreated apnea. Another person pointed out that even thin people can have sleep apnea.

To which I got a terse "the point has been made." In other words, it wasn't seen as relevant (and the moderator didn't like being contradicted with facts).

Guess I'm on the sh*t list now.

[palerider]

I will consider it an honor!

On a diabetes website someone remarked about her high morning blood sugars and asked if it could be related to her untreated sleep apnea. I responded that it very well could and stated reasons--e.g. stress hormones all night from the apnea, effects on hormones including insulin, ghrelin, human growth hormone.

A moderator (moderator!) jumped in with "strictly following this dietary recommendation (Bernstein approach) may be considered "treating" this problem (sleep apnea) because weight loss often resolves it." (paraphrased) I responded that's not the case, even citing a study where even with significant weight loss only 10% of the subjects were "cured" of their sleep apnea, and a reminder that weight loss is often difficult or impossible with untreated apnea. Another person pointed out that even thin people can have sleep apnea.

To which I got a terse "the point has been made." In other words, it wasn't seen as relevant (and the moderator didn't like being contradicted with facts).

Guess I'm on the sh*t list now.

As a wise person once said "do the right thing, wait to get fired" If you get fired (banned) for doing the right thing, then that place wasn't a good one for you anyway... If you don't get fired... then all is good.

[Goofproof]

I would call it the "A" List! The Forum God's speak with False Tongue! Jim

I eat before bed, bad but I sleep better. the last half of the sleep period my sugar level goes up as my shot ( 60 units ) kicks in hard too soon and then runs down, I probably would do better not mixing that dose 30 fast and 30 "N" ! I tend to wake up if under 80 on the meter. Not moving in sleep doesn't burn much fuel before you get up and moving, even awake, I can't move much, so I have to use lots of Insulin just to keep even.

[D.H.]

I will consider it an honor!

On a diabetes website someone remarked about her high morning blood sugars and asked if it could be related to her untreated sleep apnea. I responded that it very well could and stated reasons--e.g. stress hormones all night from the apnea, effects on hormones including insulin, ghrelin, human growth hormone.

A moderator (moderator!) jumped in with "strictly following this dietary recommendation (Bernstein approach) may be considered "treating" this problem (sleep apnea) because weight loss often resolves it." (paraphrased) I responded that's not the case, even citing a study where even with significant weight loss only 10% of the subjects were "cured" of their sleep apnea, and a reminder that weight loss is often difficult or impossible with untreated apnea. Another person pointed out that even thin people can have sleep apnea.

To which I got a terse "the point has been made." In other words, it wasn't seen as relevant (and the moderator didn't like being contradicted with facts).

Guess I'm on the sh*t list now.

Untreated Sleep Apnea can definitely make diabetes (and high blood pressure) worse, and possibly even be the causation. Sometimes, it can be treated with diet alone, but that's in a minority of cases. How many people are being injured by the bad information for that forum?

[grayghost4]

Before you get "Booted", invite that person to come here and discuss it.

[old dude]

I will consider it an honor!

On a diabetes website someone remarked about her high morning blood sugars and asked if it could be related to her untreated sleep apnea. I responded that it very well could and stated reasons--e.g. stress hormones all night from the apnea, effects on hormones including insulin, ghrelin, human growth hormone.

A moderator (moderator!) jumped in with "strictly following this dietary recommendation (Bernstein approach) may be considered "treating" this problem (sleep apnea) because weight loss often resolves it." (paraphrased) I responded that's not the case, even citing a study where even with significant weight loss only 10% of the subjects were "cured" of their sleep apnea, and a reminder that weight loss is often difficult or impossible with untreated apnea. Another person pointed out that even thin people can have sleep apnea.

To which I got a terse "the point has been made." In other words, it wasn't seen as relevant (and the moderator didn't like being contradicted with facts).

Guess I'm on the sh*t list now.

Untreated Sleep Apnea can definitely make diabetes (and high blood pressure) worse, and possibly even be the causation. Sometimes, it can be treated with diet alone, but that's in a minority of cases. How many people are being injured by the bad information for that forum?

It isn't clear whether you're saying sleep apnea can be treated with diet in a minority of cases, or if you are referring to diabetes. If it's the latter I'm afraid you're very mistaken. A large percentage of Type II diabetics significantly mitigate their disease with the correct diet and exercise. Problem is, very few diabetics are willing to discover the facts about a very low carb diet and even fewer are willing to follow it.

[jnk...]

I love your posts, personally. But I'm frankly surprised to learn that there are still heavily moderated diabetes forums out there that have not yet banned you for your unflinching truth-telling.

[palerider]

I will consider it an honor!

On a diabetes website

Name the place, and they can have a bunch more new members to ban

[Janknitz]

It isn't clear whether you're saying sleep apnea can be treated with diet in a minority of cases, or if you are referring to diabetes. If it's the latter I'm afraid you're very mistaken. A large percentage of Type II diabetics significantly mitigate their disease with the correct diet and exercise. Problem is, very few diabetics are willing to discover the facts about a very low carb diet and even fewer are willing to follow it.

The moderator is claiming that there is no reason to treat sleep apnea (except perhaps in the short term) because following the Bernstein diet will "cure" sleep apnea along with reversing diabetes. I'm all for the dietary approach, but she's doing a disservice to others by suggesting there's no need to treat sleep apnea as long as you are following that dietary way of life.

[palerider]

Moderator is ignorant, at best, maybe an idiot.

It's like crapneabored, where the moderators think they know waaaaay more than they do, even though there are disclaimers in their sigs.

[Janknitz]

I love your posts, personally. But I'm frankly surprised to learn that there are still heavily moderated diabetes forums out there that have not yet banned you for your unflinching truth-telling.

There are quite a few who have

[StuDogg]

This is rather surprising to me. My daughter is Type 1 so I have browsed lots of sites and participate in some forums. Because diabetics have to deal with so much misinformation, they (sorry for the generalization) are usually open to understanding the facts around conditions. And if OSA is always caused by weight issues, my newly-diagnosed coworker who is about 5'9" 145 lbs had better tell his doctor that his diagnosis was wrong!

[Janknitz]

I will consider it an honor!

On a diabetes website

Name the place, and they can have a bunch more new members to ban

Nah, it's a good site in general for diabetics (and people like me who don't wanna be), just that they are getting a little heavy-handed lately with the moderation and clearly some egos involved.

The problem with diabetic groups is that you have to have a little bit of judicious moderation because otherwise everyone appears to be living off faux food crappy treats and newbies get the idea that's a good thing. The Wild West of minimal moderation we enjoy here would be life-threatening to some of the clueless people that go to these diabetic sites. Every day I see questions like "are rice krispies OK on this diet" I want to tear my hair out and scream, but the moderators and many members do answer them while trying to get people to read the book and use the group's resources to understand and learn how to eat.

In an unmoderated forum, many responses would be along the lines of "sure, go ahead and then we'll have one less stupid person on the planet" (My evil alter ego would LOVE to answer someone that way, just once ) However, I have sometimes gotten the evil eye for gently suggesting that newbies learn to look up the carbs, use their meters, and learn to judge for themselves what they can eat--my "teach a person how to fish" approach is not OK with some moderators.

[palerider]

my "teach a person how to fish" approach is not OK with some moderators.

That's a damn shame.

[Janknitz]

This is rather surprising to me. My daughter is Type 1 so I have browsed lots of sites and participate in some forums. Because diabetics have to deal with so much misinformation, they (sorry for the generalization) are usually open to understanding the facts around conditions. And if OSA is always caused by weight issues, my newly-diagnosed coworker who is about 5'9" 145 lbs had better tell his doctor that his diagnosis was wrong!

Exactly! When another commenter brought up the fact that thin people get OSA, too, the moderator got really offended and shut it down.

I think at that point she took it more as a criticism of her remark than vital information, that really is important to diabetics.

Some other group I am on with kids that have the same genetic disorder as my daughter and I have posted about how taping her son's mouth helped with snoring and dry mouth. Other parents chimed in what a great idea that is. Kids with this issue often have narrowed airways, enlarged tonsils and adenoids, low muscle tone, and reflux. So lots of apnea risk factors. At least I didn't get shut down there for saying these kids MUST be tested before you try taping.