What if...?

Noting wrong with digging deeper. For instance, they're tracing a lot of problems such as heart disease, high blood pressure, arrhythmia, and diabetes to SA. By treating the cause of these they're ameliorating existing cases and preventing new ones. The "causes" of SA (obstructive and central), are being investigated. For some children, they are intervening in the way that the airway develops, so this might prevent SA (or make it milder) in some cases.

Once they find causes of SA, they would need to dig for causes of the causes they found.

This is completely reasonable. What's not reasonable is to not follow the best medical science available at the time. You will suffer or die waiting!

The reason we have so many people with Sleep Apnea is it's effects are too slow. Sleep Apnea is a genetics problem, by the time It starts to show up, many of us have already finished breeding the next generation of future patients. I guess you could say the cure would be create Early Onset-Fast Acting Sleep Apnea, or Nano-Bots to repair the Genes. Jim

Sleep Apnea may be genetic and it may not be genetic. (It's not simply a genetic condition.) Not a single person in my family, including distant relatives, had or have sleep apnea.

I actually read posts in a forum a few years back (maybe this one?) where people thought that doctors and hospitals were in cahoots with the manufacturers of PAP machines and masks, in that those doctors, hospitals, sleep lab technicians, etc were getting kickbacks from the manufacturers. In other words, if you were in the medical profession, you would be rewarded financially for diagnosing someone as having sleep apnea. Now I can't prove that doctors, etc aren't getting "bonuses" or "commissions" of some sort. But I seriously doubt that anyone in the profession would say someone has sleep apnea who does not, jeopardizing their career, just to get a couple bucks because that person is going to get a machine and mask.

All I can say is that my AHI is way lower if I've had some bedtime fun recently. I think it's the oxytocin... I just need to feel more loved!

jnk... wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 20, 2018 2:09 pm

Goofproof wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 20, 2018 1:45 pm

Next year, they will come out with the Tricorder, it will change medicine. Jim

I almost took my tricorder prototype to the Qualcomm Tricorder XPRIZE cosplay convention last year, but my Tribble costume was still at the cleaners and my transporter went down.

https://tricorder.xprize.org/

As long as you weren't wearing a red shirt...

Marillion wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 21, 2018 2:18 pm

jnk... wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 20, 2018 2:09 pm

Goofproof wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 20, 2018 1:45 pm

Next year, they will come out with the Tricorder, it will change medicine. Jim

I almost took my tricorder prototype to the Qualcomm Tricorder XPRIZE cosplay convention last year, but my Tribble costume was still at the cleaners and my transporter went down.

https://tricorder.xprize.org/

As long as you weren't wearing a red shirt...

I believe that hard science has now concluded that red shirts are the safest. -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIRRDO7_SZI

More worthless, contentious information posted by me on this forum. I should definitely be banned.

Lucyhere wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:11 pm

Sleep Apnea may be genetic and it may not be genetic. (It's not simply a genetic condition.) Not a single person in my family, including distant relatives, had or have sleep apnea.

How Lucky, You're the First. I've never been that lucky. I usually come in Also Ran! Jim

Arlene1963 wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 21, 2018 8:04 am

From the moment I was diagnosed with OSA I've been intensely interested in trying to figure out why some of us (the minority) have OSA and yet most folks don't.

It's pretty much known what causes OSA. There are multiple causes. This article lists some of the causes, but misses a big one - the modern diet results in underdeveloped jaws (epigenetics). https://www.webmd.com/sleep-disorders/s ... a-causes#1

Snoregone Conclusion,

We don't have the option of being born of different parents. However if heredity is a possible cause is there a possible solution.

If you look at the third link in my original post you will find a case where heredity was overcome by learning how to breathe properly.

Jeff,

I am not sure I agree with you...

What if...

What if the symptom of sleep apnea is a result of the body adapting to a stress. This stress can be physical, emotional, or chemical. During the adaption the body locks into a sympathetic nervous state (fight or flight) and the result is you wake up at every movement at night and suffer from increased arrousals and obstructive events.

Treating the symptoms can bring some relief but this does not address the root cause.

I was thinking about your glasses comment. When you sight suffers you go to the eye doctor. The doctor examines your eyes and tells you that your vision is a bit off. Treating the symptoms results in a pair of glasses. When you use the glasses you see well. Almost all the people that go to an eye doctor result in being able to see much better when using the glasses.

Contrast this with CPAP use. We know that CPAP can keep the airway open, yet many report that after a few days, or weeks or months or years of use they still feel as tired as they did when they first started. Perhaps treating the symptom of a closed airway is not the complete answer and the focus should be changed to the root cause of the problem.

The body adapts to the stresses imposed upon it and tries to heal itself. Why does this not happen in CPAP use.

Apparently many veterans suffering from PTSD also have OSA, and this is particularly hard to treat. It certainly raises interesting issues.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5181614/

http://jcsm.aasm.org/viewabstract.aspx?pid=30015

ChicagoGranny,

I am not sure webmd has a handle on the root cause of sleep apnea...

They state...

"In adults, the most common cause of obstructive sleep apnea is excess weight and obesity, which is associated with soft tissue of the mouth and throat."

This would indicate that if you loose weight your sleep apnea is resolved.

Do you really believe that?

What if the root cause also produced weight gain and obesity as side effects along with the sleep disordered breathing?

Arlene,

What an interesting concept. Put the body under extreme stress and it adapts by screwing up restful sleep.

What if the stress damage was removed? Would the sleep tend to be more restful?

I meet a patient once that was convinced he knew the secret to health. He had a chemistry background and checked his own blood samples daily and took supplements and chelating agents based on his results.

He still ended up in the hospital for several days and was perplexed at where his "science" had gone wrong. I felt bad for him, that he was convinced so completely in what he was doing and it had failed him.

There's nothing wrong with living healthy lifestyles, but I think some people get hung up on something as a miracle cure.