Effect of fresh, clean air on improving apnea?

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Re: Effect of fresh, clean air on improving apnea?

Post by ChicagoGranny » Sat Jun 16, 2018 12:48 pm

Chalkie wrote:
Sat Jun 16, 2018 12:18 pm
"150 years ago most people cooked with wood burning stoves". Would you like to back that up with the science that you proclaim?
It's not science, it's history.
1880: Wood provides 2/3 of industrial and residential fuel needs in the U.S.

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And, there is no evidence an apple fell on Newton's head.
It was during this period at Woolsthorpe (Newton returned to Cambridge in 1667) that he was in the orchard there and witnessed an apple drop from a tree. There’s no evidence to suggest the fruit actually landed on his head, but Newton’s observation caused him to ponder why apples always fall straight to the ground (rather than sideways or upward) and helped inspired him to eventually develop his law of universal gravitation.

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Re: Effect of fresh, clean air on improving apnea?

Post by jnk... » Sat Jun 16, 2018 1:37 pm

Chalkie wrote:
Sat Jun 16, 2018 6:23 am
What's your background, professionally and educationally, may I ask?
Busted! Funny you should ask, though. I am actually a North Korean bot, Professor Emeritus at CPAPtalk Internet University. My thesis: "Posting Science in Forums Makes Me a Troll." You may receive a copy of my newsletter by sending a certified check to my Nigerian P.O. Box.
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Re: Effect of fresh, clean air on improving apnea?

Post by Lucyhere » Sat Jun 16, 2018 1:42 pm

jnk... wrote:
Sat Jun 16, 2018 1:37 pm
Chalkie wrote:
Sat Jun 16, 2018 6:23 am
What's your background, professionally and educationally, may I ask?
Busted! Funny you should ask, though. I am actually a North Korean bot, Professor Emeritus at CPAPtalk Internet University. My thesis: "Posting Science in Forums Makes Me a Troll." You may receive a copy of my newsletter by sending a certified check to my Nigerian P.O. Box.
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Re: Effect of fresh, clean air on improving apnea?

Post by OkyDoky » Sat Jun 16, 2018 2:03 pm

jnk... wrote:
Sat Jun 16, 2018 1:37 pm
Chalkie wrote:
Sat Jun 16, 2018 6:23 am
What's your background, professionally and educationally, may I ask?
Busted! Funny you should ask, though. I am actually a North Korean bot, Professor Emeritus at CPAPtalk Internet University. My thesis: "Posting Science in Forums Makes Me a Troll." You may receive a copy of my newsletter by sending a certified check to my Nigerian P.O. Box.
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Re: Effect of fresh, clean air on improving apnea?

Post by jnk... » Sat Jun 16, 2018 3:13 pm

Chalkie,

It's not about me. But to give you a serious answer, I am not especially well educated, and I have never worked in any medical field. I do at times provide some specialized research and editorial fact-check assistance to a group of writers/journalists/authors addressing a variety of fields. But I am not especially good at it, compared to some of my peers.

My healthy-debate-about-health-issues stance is an attempt to provoke thought, not provoke in general. I genuinely appreciated your posts.

Here are some points on which maybe we agree more than we disagree: Being in a pleasant, comfortable environment can improve sleep. Smells can disrupt sleep, much as lights and noises can do. Anything that affects breathing can also affect sleep. Although some people sleep worse than usual when away from home, some sleep better. Anything that causes stress can hurt sleep. Anything that relieves stress (such as being around trees) can help sleep. Pollution is bad for us. A lack of ventilation is not healthy in homes or in rooms. Diet and exercise are important aspects of health.

Sorry if my fact-checking instincts seemed overly confrontational, sir. I'll try to dial it back a notch.

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Re: Effect of fresh, clean air on improving apnea?

Post by Chalkie » Sun Jun 17, 2018 1:17 am

Ok, one last comment as I did not get an answer from jhk:
Chalkie wrote:
Sat Jun 16, 2018 6:23 am
I think one or two very left-brained types are indeed trying to blind us with "science" and hifallalutin-sounding ai intellectualism, kind of cerebral peaccocking.

I have spotted one or two inconsistencies here. The main antagonist of what was not intended to be a contentious thread is jnk.

jnk at 3.20 pm on 11 June: "But I also have not read any studies, myself, that would make me think the perceptions of the freshness of air is anything approaching a basic factor in sleep-disordered breathing£.

At 2.01 pm on 13 June I post a link to a study suggesting a link between air quality and sleep-disordered breathing.

At 2.31 pm - just 30 minutes later, jnk fires back with:

"I believe that is possible to claim to "link" any two variables when you use your own biases to tweak your own linear regression models, as it appears to me they did. A model that is built out of reframing the models of yet other models is so far removed from reality as to be practically meaningless as "science," in my opinion. But hey, one must get one's funding from somewhere based on something, I guess--so more power to them."

So do you mean to tell us that in half an hour you read and more importantly assimilated the models it is based on, and had time to type out a reply? Or is, as I suspect, that you simply dismissed it out of hand with a generalisation about scientific methodology because the study contradicted you point of view?

Funnily enough, the studies that support your point of view are sound science. Hmmm.

Now you are telling us it's better to have your body cut to bits to lose weight than doing it naturally, all based on a totally scientifically credible study, of course.

What's your background, professionally and educationally, may I ask?
Any actual educated scientific facts instead of sarcasm and smart alec comments? Can you actually answer the question?

As for palerdier, read the above and then decide who is showing evidence of a lack of education. What you say is rude, personal and just plain rubbish. You are just jumping on bandwagon - no great moral courage required to do that, nor insult someone from behind the anonymity of a keyboard.
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Re: Effect of fresh, clean air on improving apnea?

Post by palerider » Sun Jun 17, 2018 2:57 am

Chalkie wrote:
Sun Jun 17, 2018 1:17 am
Ok, one last comment
There's always another one.

Do keep us apprised of your own personal study about the effects of trees in the country side on your apnea, as you sleep in various places. It'll be interesting to find out if YOU always sleep better away from home amogst the trees, or if you sometimes sleep better, and sometimes sleep worse.
Chalkie wrote:
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Any actual educated scientific facts
The actual educated scientific fact is that sleep is a very complex system, and you're hyperfocusing on one thing.

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Re: Effect of fresh, clean air on improving apnea?

Post by Chalkie » Sun Jun 17, 2018 6:00 am

Do keep us apprised of your own personal study about the effects of trees in the countryside on your apnea, as you sleep in various places.
You mean this:

"I was just suggesting sleeping with fresh air and near trees might be helpful and wanting to compare notes, not claiming I had conducted some massive scientific study into it".

So maybe you could try reading what I say before accusing me of poor education.

I am simply defending myself against hostile comments and some falsehoods, like your parting shot.

Focussing obsessively on one aspect of sleep apnoea? I am siimply answering points. One thread among many I have started on many different subjects. Today I am "focussing obsessively" on benzos and next time on something else.
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Re: Effect of fresh, clean air on improving apnea?

Post by jnk... » Sun Jun 17, 2018 6:08 am

Chalkie wrote:
Sun Jun 17, 2018 1:17 am
Can you actually answer the question?
Which?

I looked at the study. I looked at a summary of the methodology and some journalists' comments on it. It took maybe five minutes for me to conclude for myself what it was and what it wasn't. I suggest you do the same, for your own benefit--unless you simply prefer not to see the forest for the trees.

You have called me a bully for expressing opinions that differ from yours, so I will no longer comment on any statements you make, since I apparently do not understand the purpose for your posts.

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Re: Effect of fresh, clean air on improving apnea?

Post by Chalkie » Sun Jun 17, 2018 8:21 am

jhk - I now see you did reply to my comment and have edited my own last post to remove the reference that offended you.

I am glad we agree on some things and would have gone on to make the broader point about sleep hygiene that you have yourself so well made.

It is not the fact that someone disagrees with me that I have a problem with but the tone in which they do it- I felt thoroughly dissed by the way you put your original reply across and felt myself compelled to defend myself as a matter of honour.

It seemed to open the floodgates to some people just wanting to put the boot in, in my opinion, which has shaken my faith in the community in general. I have never encountered such mass hostility on a medial forum. Anyway, enough is enough, this has done me enough damage already and I hope everyone involved is now happy.

I was only musing on whether anyone slept better in a rural environment as opposed to a very urban one - never setting out to claim I was carrying out a scientific study but have been left wishing I never even went away. I have never set out to antagonise anyone on the forum and am feeling shocked at my treatment. I will think twice about posting anything else in future after such a reception.

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Re: Effect of fresh, clean air on improving apnea?

Post by palerider » Sun Jun 17, 2018 1:36 pm

Chalkie wrote:
Sun Jun 17, 2018 8:21 am
defend myself as a matter of honour.
*slaps you with a gauntlet*

Swords at 11, be there.

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Post by nawchem » Sun Jun 17, 2018 5:56 pm

Chalkie I took a human dissection class, our 3 class cadavers had black lungs, our professor said it was normal for city cadavers. I use a good quality air purifier in my room, it has a charcoal outer filter and an inner hepa filter. I no longer have dust or odours in my room.
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Re: Effect of fresh, clean air on improving apnea?

Post by Goofproof » Sun Jun 17, 2018 8:28 pm

Chalkie wrote:
Sun Jun 17, 2018 8:21 am
jhk - I now see you did reply to my comment and have edited my own last post to remove the reference that offended you.

I am glad we agree on some things and would have gone on to make the broader point about sleep hygiene that you have yourself so well made.

It is not the fact that someone disagrees with me that I have a problem with but the tone in which they do it- I felt thoroughly dissed by the way you put your original reply across and felt myself compelled to defend myself as a matter of honour.

It seemed to open the floodgates to some people just wanting to put the boot in, in my opinion, which has shaken my faith in the community in general. I have never encountered such mass hostility on a medial forum. Anyway, enough is enough, this has done me enough damage already and I hope everyone involved is now happy.

I was only musing on whether anyone slept better in a rural environment as opposed to a very urban one - never setting out to claim I was carrying out a scientific study but have been left wishing I never even went away. I have never set out to antagonise anyone on the forum and am feeling shocked at my treatment. I will think twice about posting anything else in future after such a reception.

Thanks and all the best.
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Re: Effect of fresh, clean air on improving apnea?

Post by palerider » Sun Jun 17, 2018 9:18 pm

nawchem wrote:
Sun Jun 17, 2018 5:56 pm
Chalkie I took a human dissection class, our 3 class cadavers had black lungs, our professor said it was normal for city cadavers. I use a good quality air purifier in my room, it has a charcoal outer filter and an inner hepa filter. I no longer have dust or odours in my room.
Are you volunteering to dissect chalkie to see what his lungs look like?

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