O/T children being hunted

The obvious problem is mental health. This is where the main focus should be. Unfortunately mental health problems are often over looked or an after thought. I don't know what the answer is, but maybe somehow we could make a better effort to see that people are well adjusted and stable.

I can imagine some people want to blame the parents, which could be correct in some cases, but overall being a parent is more complicated these days and more mistakes will be made. Also there are far more outside influences on our children than every before. We can all help each other get through this, that would be the reasonable thing to do.

D.H. wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 30, 2018 9:31 am

LSAT wrote: ↑

Fri May 18, 2018 10:14 am

Lucyhere wrote: ↑

Fri May 18, 2018 9:27 am

Horrific!

God bless the NRA -- not!

The NRA did not shoot anyone..it was a student. It's the second amendment that allows legally owning a gun. It does not allow shooting students.

The second amendment allows gun ownership in the context of "a well-regulated militia." This is not "interpretation," this is the actual wording! It clearly does not allow for the unfettered and unregulated situation that we have now!

The founding fathers of the United States did not consider military grade weapons. That was because the military grade weapons of those days were battleships and cannons, which are not suited for private ownership! The writers of the constitution would be mortified if they know the types of weapons and ease of access that is possible today!

Do you still have to have a Class 3 firearms licence, to get a Battleship and full load of cannons, or can you get some for yourself over the internet, or at Arm Shows. There is always the Dark Web, the F.B.I. will always sell you one there. Just don't get Stung! Jim

The what about defense has lately come into favor. Trump supporters are always saying what about Hillary as if it somehow pertinent to the other crimes committed. So what about knives and baseball bats? If we eliminated gun crimes we could concentrate on those weapons. I am a criminal defense attorney and if they allow the what about defense I have lost my last case If a rape has been committed what about that Stanford swimmer who only got 6 months. after being convicted. Whattabout Manafort? It is a ridiculous stupid argument

I have some scruples I would never defend a dog abuser. That dog is not going to make another human mean!

I live in Chicago, one of the cities with the strictest gun laws in the country. We are having a much better year shooting wise, so far this year there have only been 1,304 people shot with guns, that is 414 fewer than last year so we are patting ourselves on the back because we are so awesome at controlling gun violence. If you are willing to look at this realistically, it is obvious that gun laws do not reduce gun violence (and god, I know it is an old saying but it is true, When guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns and in Chicago, for the most part,only the bad guys have guns) The mayor wants to give credit to the strict laws for reducing the shootings to only about 200 per month (honestly, he is proud of this) yet the gun laws have not changed for years other than there are more people with concealed carry permits. Guns are not the problem, guns in the hands of criminals are the problem and apparently guns in the hands of the law abiding citizen is part of the solution.

BTW, I don't own a gun and do not have a concealed carry permit but feel safer when I am with someone who does. There are a lot of famous people who are anti NRA and the 2nd amendment and believe I should not have the ability to protect myself or my family yet they walk around with body guards, guess what the body guards use, you got it, guns.

lastlib wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 30, 2018 12:35 pm

The what about defense has lately come into favor. Trump supporters are always saying what about Hillary as if it somehow pertinent to the other crimes committed. So what about knives and baseball bats? If we eliminated gun crimes we could concentrate on those weapons. I am a criminal defense attorney and if they allow the what about defense I have lost my last case If a rape has been committed what about that Stanford swimmer who only got 6 months. after being convicted. Whattabout Manafort? It is a ridiculous stupid argument

I have some scruples I would never defend a dog abuser. That dog is not going to make another human mean!

I am not sure what you are saying but if you are saying you would blame a gun for what a criminal does with it, would not want you for my attorney.

D.H. wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 30, 2018 9:31 am

LSAT wrote: ↑

Fri May 18, 2018 10:14 am

Lucyhere wrote: ↑

Fri May 18, 2018 9:27 am

Horrific!

God bless the NRA -- not!

The NRA did not shoot anyone..it was a student. It's the second amendment that allows legally owning a gun. It does not allow shooting students.

The second amendment allows gun ownership in the context of "a well-regulated militia." This is not "interpretation," this is the actual wording! It clearly does not allow for the unfettered and unregulated situation that we have now!

The founding fathers of the United States did not consider military grade weapons. That was because the military grade weapons of those days were battleships and cannons, which are not suited for private ownership! The writers of the constitution would be mortified if they know the types of weapons and ease of access that is possible today!

Great point DH, perhaps you could tell us what a "well regulated militia" is, who runs it and what it's purpose is. And do you have any references to back up your claim the founding fathers did not see that firearms would change in the future? Cannons were available then, so they certainly understood the musket was not the be all end all weapon. There were several different types of rifles available during the Revolutionary War from the simple musket to the 1776 infantry rifle which shot a .62 caliber shell. It seems to me if the founding fathers expected that the "peoples right to keep and bear arms" meant only muskets they would have said so. You have picked one sentence out of a complex bill because you feel it supports your message. I suggest you look into the purpose of the militia. I am not big on cutting and pasting to prove a point, seem lazy but it is 2:00 AM here and it is time to put my mask on (for some reason just not wanting to do it tonight so I came to Cpaptalk for support and here I am, up an hour later talking about the 2nd amendment. Anyway, here is a cut and paste from a court case discussing what you contend in your earlier comments.

In Caetano v. Massachusetts (2016), the Supreme Court reiterated its earlier rulings that "the Second Amendment extends, prima facie, to all instruments that constitute bearable arms, even those that were not in existence at the time of the founding" and that its protection is not limited to "only those weapons useful in warfare".[20]

What can we do to better identify struggling youth? How can we help them cope and recover mental stability? Maybe we could raise public awareness that would educate parents and help them identify problems with their children. Hopefully they then would be more able to teach their kids how to communicate and cope better with the problems they are having. A second line of defense may be to educate teachers on the same matter since they are involved with the youth nearly everyday like the parents. Friends, relatives and neighbors would be able to help also if they knew how to help.

Rob K wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 01, 2018 1:54 pm

What can we do to better identify struggling youth? How can we help them cope and recover mental stability? Maybe we could raise public awareness that would educate parents and help them identify problems with their children. Hopefully they then would be more able to teach their kids how to communicate and cope better with the problems they are having. A second line of defense may be to educate teachers on the same matter since they are involved with the youth nearly everyday like the parents. Friends, relatives and neighbors would be able to help also if they knew how to help.

Ban the use of all electronic devices until the age of thirty. No T.V. or News viewing either. Maybe they could grow up without thinking they have to be popular, or that life is supposed to be fair. Life is a struggle, deal with it, like everyone used to do, before liberals told everyone they were entitled to Gold Spoons. Jim

Rob K wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 01, 2018 1:54 pm

What can we do to better identify struggling youth?

YOU could volunteer as a mentor in a local school. Ask for a boy who doesn't have a male figure in his home life. Stick with him all through MS. Also HS if there is a mentoring program. Keep in touch with him after HS.

The teachers and social workers know who these kids are.

Encourage your male, adult friends to get involved in a mentoring program.

ChicagoGranny wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 01, 2018 4:34 pm

Rob K wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 01, 2018 1:54 pm

What can we do to better identify struggling youth?

YOU could volunteer as a mentor in a local school. Ask for a boy who doesn't have a male figure in his home life. Stick with him all through MS. Also HS if there is a mentoring program. Keep in touch with him after HS.

The teachers and social workers know who these kids are.

Encourage your male, adult friends to get involved in a mentoring program.

Great advice

flightco wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 01, 2018 9:40 pm

ChicagoGranny wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 01, 2018 4:34 pm

Rob K wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 01, 2018 1:54 pm

What can we do to better identify struggling youth?

YOU could volunteer as a mentor in a local school. Ask for a boy who doesn't have a male figure in his home life. Stick with him all through MS. Also HS if there is a mentoring program. Keep in touch with him after HS.

The teachers and social workers know who these kids are.

Encourage your male, adult friends to get involved in a mentoring program.

Great advice

Excellent advice.

lastlib wrote: ↑

Fri May 18, 2018 10:31 am

No one has been killed by the bombs only by guns!

You are not quite accurate in your statement

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Marathon_bombing

If you want to talk about Europe, the list is almost endless.

I'm in two minds making a comment on this, as I live outside of the US and I'm not political. I have lived in the US, however, about twenty years ago for several years. I never owned a gun, although my friend from the UK did. My feeling was that I would not be able to shoot first, and that by holding a gun at someone I became more of a threat to them, so they were more likely to shoot....I know that's not the issue here. In the UK gun ownership is legal, but there are much more difficult checks that are made before a license is issued. It's not an infallible system and mistakes are made. Some guns do (increasingly) get onto the black market and are used in crimes. However, it is still very difficult for youngsters to get hold of guns. School shootings are rare here (thankfully) and the few that spring to mind have been orchestrated by adults, not the young people themselves. That being said, knife crimes are becoming increasingly common. It's true the number of young people (mainly teenage boys) being maimed or killed by knives is increasing rapidly. Most of these incidents are gang related. Gangs are becoming a much greater phenomenon here. The difference with knife crime is that it is much more difficult to kill numbers of people in one spree than by guns, and knife crime is more personal. With knives you have to be close to the victim, making the perpetrator more vulnerable to being disarmed. It requires a degree of strength. With a gun, the perpetrator can be some distance away and hidden out of sight. It is easier to fire off many rounds in quick succession killing lots of people in a short space of time. The perpetrator doesn't have to see the faces of those he/she is killing so it is less personal. Knife crime is deplorable as is any killing. However, if knives are the main source of weapons it is less likely to lead to mass killings because of the different nature of the weapon. Most knife incidents in this country have lead to a single victim, not tens. But it is still a grave issue our politicians should be doing more to solve. There are no easy solutions or quick fixes, but the causes could be better understood. Getting to the root of the problem of why young people have a need to kill or don't value life in the first place may help highlight a solution. To me it seems most of the perpetrators of mass killings either assume they will be killed (suicide by proxy) or aim to kill themselves at some stage, so laws have little to do with it, they are not afraid of being caught or the consequences. This is not a crticism of the US or its policies, it is merely an observation of two different societies. The time I spent in the US was one of the happiest of my life and I never felt threatened or in danger the whole time I was a guest of your lovely country. Your policies and politics are for you to decide, I merely want to offer a different perspective. Thoughts and respect to all those who have been victims (directly and indirectly) of such crimes.