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Re: Cpaptalk.com vs Apneaboard.com

Post by Pugsy » Wed Aug 01, 2018 12:24 pm

Johnny (who owns the forum) has always believed in the basic good decent humanity of most people.
He was hoping that the members could discuss things they disagreed about like adults and not two year olds.
Sometimes it works out and sometimes it doesn't.
He really doesn't like any censorship at all. You all might be surprised to learn what I have asked in the past and got a very gentle "could you do it another way" which I can read between the lines means...no. :lol:

Seems like it always take 2 bullies though...one to do the bullying first and the second bully to point out the first bully because I guess he/she doesn't think we (the rest of us here) are smart enough to recognize a bully without someone pointing it out and thus the bully war starts.

Hopefully the "bully wars" won't be very numerous and when they do happen...short lived.

But in the event you don't ever want to see one my suggestion is to hop on over to that other forum because they are going to happen here and if you can't handle it and learn to ignore it...maybe you would be happier at the other forum.

Like I have said hundreds of times before...it's Johnny's sandbox and if you don't like playing in it by his rules or what you consider lack of rules...maybe time to go elsewhere. He gets to make the rules in his sandbox.

Don't go thinking this forum here isn't moderated because it is moderated but just loosely moderated and for some people that seems to equal no moderation because they may not like what they see.
If someone violates the user agreement terms that we all had to agree to...justice is rather swift depending on the offense.

Speaking your mind with a rather blunt opinion or thought....nothing in the user agreement about that.

And whether someone speaks the truth but rather bluntly...doesn't necessarily mean "bully".....which that definition seems to come with a big YMMV sticker.

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Re: Cpaptalk.com vs Apneaboard.com

Post by palerider » Wed Aug 01, 2018 12:56 pm

bombayone wrote:
Wed Aug 01, 2018 12:04 pm
Cpaptalk.com allows forum members to bully others which can have the effect of limiting discussion.
Horsepucky. I can say you're full of crap, and have no idea what you're blathering about -- and you don't -- but that doesn't stop you from expressing your opinion, no matter how wrong it is.

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Re: Cpaptalk.com vs Apneaboard.com

Post by chunkyfrog » Wed Aug 01, 2018 1:16 pm

palerider wrote:
Wed Aug 01, 2018 12:56 pm
bombayone wrote:
Wed Aug 01, 2018 12:04 pm
Cpaptalk.com allows forum members to bully others which can have the effect of limiting discussion.
Horsepucky. I can say you're full of crap, and have no idea what you're blathering about -- and you don't -- but that doesn't stop you from expressing your opinion, no matter how wrong it is.
He's not here often--just ignore his opinionated, mean-spirited ass.

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Re: Cpaptalk.com vs Apneaboard.com

Post by bombayone » Wed Aug 01, 2018 2:27 pm

Pale Rider and Chunky Frog - Thank you both for proving my point.

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Re: Cpaptalk.com vs Apneaboard.com

Post by Scluvsrain » Wed Aug 01, 2018 2:35 pm

jnk... wrote:
Pugsy wrote:I really haven't done anything here to tame the crowd. Everyone has done it themselves. . . . The overall atmosphere here...that's all from you guys behaving like adults and not 3 yr olds. You have yourselves to thank...not me. . . .
Well, in the past, Mom and Dad, understandably so, sometimes seemed a little too busy with work to do much to keep this a safe haven for all of us kids. You are the fun, wise aunt who has thankfully been given full babysitting authority, and your presence and example, just by your being the nonjudgmental fair-minded person you are, has made all the difference in setting the right tone, in my opinion.

So, you may think of yourself as not doing much to make the difference, but from where I sit, my knowing that you are here taking a stand as a voice of reason has made all the difference for my feeling comfortable posting here again, myself. So I stand by my giving you much of the thanks for the present state of affairs around here.
This has been my experience as well, and I’m a fairly recent newcomer. I feel safe being able to post questions and appreciate polite and honest feedback. The guidance has been wonderful and I’ve learned so much about apnea in general.


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Re: Cpaptalk.com vs Apneaboard.com

Post by prodigyplace » Wed Aug 01, 2018 2:37 pm

palerider wrote:
Wed Jan 31, 2018 8:02 pm
ShinRyoku wrote:
Pugsy wrote:Your choice. Which group of people seem to meet YOUR needs the best?
What I find interesting is that we don't censor "apneaboard forum" at all here. Go try to type in "cpaptalk" forum and see what happens.
Good point. Also evident in the fact that the admin there locked the thread about this topic, whereas the thread here is allowed to continue.
Yeah, cpaptalk.com is in their *dirty word filter*!
Just CPAPTalk is there too.

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Re: Cpaptalk.com vs Apneaboard.com

Post by Pugsy » Wed Aug 01, 2018 2:43 pm

prodigyplace wrote:
Wed Aug 01, 2018 2:37 pm
palerider wrote:
Wed Jan 31, 2018 8:02 pm
ShinRyoku wrote:
Pugsy wrote:Your choice. Which group of people seem to meet YOUR needs the best?
What I find interesting is that we don't censor "apneaboard forum" at all here. Go try to type in "cpaptalk" forum and see what happens.
Good point. Also evident in the fact that the admin there locked the thread about this topic, whereas the thread here is allowed to continue.
Yeah, cpaptalk.com is in their *dirty word filter*!
Just CPAPTalk is there too.
And their damn dirty word filter is one of the many reasons I simply don't bother going there.

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Re: Cpaptalk.com vs Apneaboard.com

Post by LSAT » Wed Aug 01, 2018 2:44 pm

bombayone wrote:
Wed Aug 01, 2018 12:04 pm
The Apnea Board and Cpaptalk.com both impose censorship. The Apnea Board moderators enforce their rules which can limit the freedom of discussion. Cpaptalk.com allows forum members to bully others which can have the effect of limiting discussion.
You came to this assumption after 3 weeks? With this attitude I think you should stay on the Apnea Board. When they limit the freedom of discussion , it is hard to dispute bad information...If you dispute too hard, the moderator will kick you off the board.

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Re: Cpaptalk.com vs Apneaboard.com

Post by palerider » Wed Aug 01, 2018 2:50 pm

bombayone wrote:
Wed Aug 01, 2018 2:27 pm
Pale Rider and Chunky Frog - Thank you both for proving my point.
The only thing that's been proven about you is that you're a troll, and you're wrong.

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Post by chunkyfrog » Wed Aug 01, 2018 3:08 pm

Thank you, PR.
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Re: Cpaptalk.com vs Apneaboard.com

Post by Marillion » Wed Aug 01, 2018 3:12 pm

LSAT wrote:
Wed Aug 01, 2018 2:44 pm
bombayone wrote:
Wed Aug 01, 2018 12:04 pm
The Apnea Board and Cpaptalk.com both impose censorship. The Apnea Board moderators enforce their rules which can limit the freedom of discussion. Cpaptalk.com allows forum members to bully others which can have the effect of limiting discussion.
When they limit the freedom of discussion , it is hard to dispute bad information...If you dispute too hard, the moderator will kick you off the board.
That's not true at all. I think everyone understands the differences of both boards by now, but there is no need to exaggerate to prove a point. That only diminishes what you are trying to say.

I'm a member of both boards for about a year and a half now. They don't limit the freedom of discussion or clamp down on you over there unless you start getting really rude in your discussions with others or start placing links related to products being sold. Even so, you don't get kicked off the board unless you persist in some pretty serious violations and you get numerous warnings before being banned. I myself in the beginning added a couple of links for products being sold (to help someone out) and was warned about doing that. I did find it a bit heavy handed but "their house, their rules" so I was willing to follow them to remain a member. But saying that if "you dispute too hard" about an issue you will get booted off the board...that is a gross oversimplification. I've seen some pretty heated discussions over there too, though admittedly nothing like here, and no one got banned and the thread didn't get locked.

I enjoy both boards for different reasons and while I would never judge someone for preferring one over the other, I really dislike it when someone looks down on others who do (not saying that applies to you LSAT.) I think that Johnny allows more freedom over here for people to be able to freely express their points of view without having to worry about censorship in the hopes that people will live and let live. It's just a shame that some use that same freedom for being mean to others and in doing so become just as closed minded as the ones they hate. It's a big reason why the "civilized world" is so F*d up of late.

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Post by Pugsy » Wed Aug 01, 2018 3:32 pm

Marillion wrote:
Wed Aug 01, 2018 3:12 pm
But saying that if "you dispute too hard" about an issue you will get booted off the board...that is a gross oversimplification.

Well.....I know one person who got kicked off that board without warning for telling a moderator (in a PM) that they were wrong about something. Moderator didn't like being challenged even in private and the axe fell without so much as a warning.

You would have to know this person...forum member 49er here...and she was never ever ugly to anyone. If anything she was overly sensitive to people with problems and more apt to kill them with kindness than ever be ugly to anyone.
She passed away a few months ago.

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Re: Cpaptalk.com vs Apneaboard.com

Post by Marillion » Wed Aug 01, 2018 3:44 pm

Pugsy wrote:
Wed Aug 01, 2018 3:32 pm
Marillion wrote:
Wed Aug 01, 2018 3:12 pm
But saying that if "you dispute too hard" about an issue you will get booted off the board...that is a gross oversimplification.

Well.....I know one person who got kicked off that board without warning for telling a moderator (in a PM) that they were wrong about something. Moderator didn't like being challenged even in private and the axe fell without so much as a warning.

You would have to know this person...forum member 49er here...and she was never ever ugly to anyone. If anything she was overly sensitive to people with problems and more apt to kill them with kindness than ever be ugly to anyone.
She passed away a few months ago.
I'm sorry to hear she passed away. I remember reading some of her posts around here and she was always very kind to people, as you say. I won't argue with you on this Pugsy, I respect you and your opinions far too much for that. I'm sure the moderators over there have on occasion abused their power too, being only human. No one is always right, after all. Perhaps what I should have said is that I never witnessed it and that would indeed have been more accurate. I wasn't meaning to imply that they are perfect! But they do tend to control the tone of discussions more so over there and that isn't always a bad thing in the online world. We've all heard about (and seen) how easy it is to become a troll behind the anonymity of a keyboard.

My point was mainly to provide a balanced counterpoint and to make a social commentary. I enjoy both boards and can see the positives and negatives of both.

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Post by palerider » Wed Aug 01, 2018 3:47 pm

Marillion wrote:
Wed Aug 01, 2018 3:12 pm
LSAT wrote:
Wed Aug 01, 2018 2:44 pm
bombayone wrote:
Wed Aug 01, 2018 12:04 pm
The Apnea Board and Cpaptalk.com both impose censorship. The Apnea Board moderators enforce their rules which can limit the freedom of discussion. Cpaptalk.com allows forum members to bully others which can have the effect of limiting discussion.
When they limit the freedom of discussion , it is hard to dispute bad information...If you dispute too hard, the moderator will kick you off the board.

I'm a member of both boards for about a year and a half now. They don't limit the freedom of discussion or clamp down on you over there unless you start getting really rude in your discussions with others or start placing links related to products being sold. Even so, you don't get kicked off the board unless you persist in some pretty serious violations and you get numerous warnings before being banned.
If you truly believe that, you need to pay more attention to what goes on over there...

I got banned for making a post in a thread that had wandered off topic, as mentioned above, and was banned for it for "not respecting the moderators".

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Re: Cpaptalk.com vs Apneaboard.com

Post by Pugsy » Wed Aug 01, 2018 4:01 pm

Marillion wrote:
Wed Aug 01, 2018 3:44 pm
My point was mainly to provide a balanced counterpoint and to make a social commentary. I enjoy both boards and can see the positives and negatives of both.
I understand. No problem with what you said but I thought I would just chime in about one person that I know got axed so it does happen. Vivian was a good friend of mine...I had no reason to suspect that she wasn't telling me the truth. One of the nicest people I have ever known.

And I understand about moderators abusing the power sometimes....they are human...I am human and sometimes I get so tempted to hit that ban button that I have to bite my fingers bloody to stop myself.
So far I have been fairly good...spammers get banned immediately.
The only member to get the axe from me for being an ass and pissing me off...got a 6 hour ban..time out in the corner and that was for threatening me personally. He took a swing at me and threatened me...and I swung back. :lol:
It wasn't a permanent ban but he was here to just stir up trouble...troll and he hasn't bothered to come back....yet anyway. and that was a couple of months ago.
I guess he figured he couldn't push me around and I wouldn't let him push the others around so he went somewhere else to annoy people.

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