Watery Eyes

Convinced that little vent that moves air is the culprit for watery eyes. Wondering if you can tape the vent in place so it wont shoot up. Or even if that would work!

AMESS wrote:Convinced that little vent that moves air is the culprit for watery eyes. Wondering if you can tape the vent in place so it wont shoot up. Or even if that would work!

I also get watery eyes...When I read your posts, I laugh so much my eyes water.

AMESS wrote:Convinced that little vent that moves air is the culprit for watery eyes. Wondering if you can tape the vent in place so it wont shoot up. Or even if that would work!

please, please tape over the vent, then we won't have to go through your drivel in the morning

I would want you to tape over the vent, but you really need a toy doll for a diversion of your need. Jim

AMESS wrote:Convinced that little vent that moves air is the culprit for watery eyes. Wondering if you can tape the vent in place so it wont shoot up. Or even if that would work!

Not very likely to be the vent. More likely to be a mask seal leak.

You DO NOT want to tape over that vent. The vent is necessary to vent CO2 from your exhaled breathing.

Find and fix the mask seal leak.

DreamStalker wrote:

AMESS wrote:Convinced that little vent that moves air is the culprit for watery eyes. Wondering if you can tape the vent in place so it wont shoot up. Or even if that would work!

Not very likely to be the vent. More likely to be a mask seal leak.

You DO NOT want to tape over that vent. The vent is necessary to vent CO2 from your exhaled breathing.

Find and fix the mask seal leak.

It wouldn't cause her any brain damage, if you can't find it you can't damage it. Jim

Happen to find this from one of our own posting on Watery Eyes. I am not the only one. There are others too.


Re: watery eyes
Postby felinefanatic on Fri Jun 05, 2015 9:17 pm

I have had a cpap machine for 5 years. Have always had watering eyes but lately it has gotten worse. I have asked my cpcp supplier and doctor about the problem. They claim ignorance! Saying it must be mask leakage. It is NOT mask leakage - it is blow back from the air release. Why can't they move the release down on the hosing section? When you begin sleep - you position the air release away from your eyes - but with sleep, you turn and the hosing with release section turns too. When you awaken your eyes are tearing and the air is facing toward you. I cannot see why the designers of these masks don't see it. I don't think any of the doctors or people who provide these machine have every worn any of these sleep devices. I have also tried sleep masks - they stop all oxygen from entering the eye - and again, you are adding yet another layer of gadgets to your face furthering the imprisoning effect. Why should we have to put goo in our eyes from the air release of their machines? Even if they designed a round shield that would redirect the released air downward that would be better too. It is a trial and error process to find the right mask and machine and discussions like this might help the manufacturers understand the problems their users are experiencing possibly leading to better designs to eliminate these nightly problems that we cpap users face every night.

AMESS wrote:Happen to find this from one of our own posting on Watery Eyes. I am not the only one. There are others too.


Re: watery eyes
Postby felinefanatic on Fri Jun 05, 2015 9:17 pm

I have had a cpap machine for 5 years. Have always had watering eyes but lately it has gotten worse. I have asked my cpcp supplier and doctor about the problem. They claim ignorance! Saying it must be mask leakage. It is NOT mask leakage - it is blow back from the air release. Why can't they move the release down on the hosing section? When you begin sleep - you position the air release away from your eyes - but with sleep, you turn and the hosing with release section turns too. When you awaken your eyes are tearing and the air is facing toward you. I cannot see why the designers of these masks don't see it. I don't think any of the doctors or people who provide these machine have every worn any of these sleep devices. I have also tried sleep masks - they stop all oxygen from entering the eye - and again, you are adding yet another layer of gadgets to your face furthering the imprisoning effect. Why should we have to put goo in our eyes from the air release of their machines? Even if they designed a round shield that would redirect the released air downward that would be better too. It is a trial and error process to find the right mask and machine and discussions like this might help the manufacturers understand the problems their users are experiencing possibly leading to better designs to eliminate these nightly problems that we cpap users face every night.

You could get yourself a sleep night mask to cover your eyes ...


But that would also mask the problem ... which is more than likely a leaky seal from your CPAP mask interface. Fix the root cause of your problem.

AMESS, the solution to finding a leak:

Wet your finger and run it SLOWLY where you think the leak is coming from... you will feel the air flowing way easier and be able pin point the leak. Occasionally I know I have aleak somewhere on my mask/hose connection, so I wet a finger and slowly run it around the connection and voila I can usually find I have not pushed my hose in far enough. Try it, if its not the mask front section, try going around the part that sits on you face. Believe me the valve that you think is leaking, if you cover that up you will re-breathe your exhaled air Google carbon monoxide poisoning.

Further: If you have a question, please just do a search in the box at the top of the page before you ask, you will get lots of answers and ideas and not get any negative info from those that are tired of you asking. When I first started here seven years ago I read and read pages and pages of questions and answers, I wanted to try and educate myself before I got my machine. It was so much easier to don my mask at bedtime and roll over and go to sleep, I received good info from those that had started before me.

Guys really! Suggesting to someone who's asking you if it's ok to mess with the air vent on their mask to tape up the vent holes or modify them in any way is a horribly bad idea and not even funny. No later how much you don't like them or fine their posts frustrating.

The vent holes are designed to vent off exhaled air at a rate that will keep build up of co2 from the air you breath. If you were to mess with the air vents and not do it right you could cause a build up of co2 that for starters could alter respiration rate or trigger central apnea or Worse case you would be looking a toxic levels of co2 if the rapid breathing didn't wake you up you could die.

The designers of most masks have them were they dispurse the air outward away from the mask and face. Unless your positioning your mask near some other object like a pillow or bedding it is impossible for the air leaking from the vent holes to hit your eyes. Were talking physics here. The air is designed to flow away from the mask unless something gets in the way of that flow and causes it to change direction. It's not going to.

However as others have stated nose masks and FF masks are known to some times leak on the sides of the nose blowing air right into the eyes near the nose.

One other possibility I don't see discussed very much is at higher pressures some people will have issues with their tear ducts. If you cry or are cutting up onions for example a lot of people's noses will also run because the tears drain into the nose. At higher pressures air from your cpap can be forced back through your tear ducts in to the eyes. It's one of the reasons people will sometimes use the more exstream "Tottal Face Masks" that cover your whole face like a full face respirator. This works the same way a FFM does buy equalizing the pressure for your whole airway. [It helps keep the air for venting out our mouths] Even though we would never use our tear ducts to breath they are connected to our airway none the less and under exstream cases or when there are weaknesses for what ever reason they can vent the air because of the difference in pressure.


I know some nights right as I mask up my eyes will water as all the tears that were in my ducts are forced back in to my eyes but luckily for me most of the time they seal shut before air starts leaking through.

Hope this helps.

Rest well

Gryphon

xxyzx wrote:

nanwilson wrote:AMESS, the solution to finding a leak:

Wet your finger and run it SLOWLY where you think the leak is coming from... you will feel the air flowing way easier and be able pin point the leak. Occasionally I know I have aleak somewhere on my mask/hose connection, so I wet a finger and slowly run it around the connection and voila I can usually find I have not pushed my hose in far enough. Try it, if its not the mask front section, try going around the part that sits on you face. Believe me the valve that you think is leaking, if you cover that up you will re-breathe your exhaled air Google carbon monoxide poisoning.

Further: If you have a question, please just do a search in the box at the top of the page before you ask, you will get lots of answers and ideas and not get any negative info from those that are tired of you asking. When I first started here seven years ago I read and read pages and pages of questions and answers, I wanted to try and educate myself before I got my machine. It was so much easier to don my mask at bedtime and roll over and go to sleep, I received good info from those that had started before me.

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wrong

no carbon MONoxide at all
but too much carbon DIoxide in the mask would keep the oxygen level down and cause problems

Who cares monoxide. dioxide, it would still be a BIg problem.

nanwilson wrote:

xxyzx wrote:

nanwilson wrote:AMESS, the solution to finding a leak:

Wet your finger and run it SLOWLY where you think the leak is coming from... you will feel the air flowing way easier and be able pin point the leak. Occasionally I know I have aleak somewhere on my mask/hose connection, so I wet a finger and slowly run it around the connection and voila I can usually find I have not pushed my hose in far enough. Try it, if its not the mask front section, try going around the part that sits on you face. Believe me the valve that you think is leaking, if you cover that up you will re-breathe your exhaled air Google carbon monoxide poisoning.

Further: If you have a question, please just do a search in the box at the top of the page before you ask, you will get lots of answers and ideas and not get any negative info from those that are tired of you asking. When I first started here seven years ago I read and read pages and pages of questions and answers, I wanted to try and educate myself before I got my machine. It was so much easier to don my mask at bedtime and roll over and go to sleep, I received good info from those that had started before me.

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wrong

no carbon MONoxide at all
but too much carbon DIoxide in the mask would keep the oxygen level down and cause problems

Who cares monoxide. dioxide, it would still be a BIg problem.

Right it would be AMISS.... Jim

AMESS wrote:Convinced that little vent that moves air is the culprit for watery eyes. Wondering if you can tape the vent in place so it wont shoot up. Or even if that would work!

I rejected one mask because the vents pushed air into my eyes. I think this was an older design - the Quattro AIr (about 4 years old) has the vent surrounding the hose.

As everyone has said, taping the vent is beyond stupid - its suicidal.

xxyzx wrote:

nanwilson wrote:

xxyzx wrote:

nanwilson wrote:AMESS, the solution to finding a leak:

Wet your finger and run it SLOWLY where you think the leak is coming from... you will feel the air flowing way easier and be able pin point the leak. Occasionally I know I have aleak somewhere on my mask/hose connection, so I wet a finger and slowly run it around the connection and voila I can usually find I have not pushed my hose in far enough. Try it, if its not the mask front section, try going around the part that sits on you face. Believe me the valve that you think is leaking, if you cover that up you will re-breathe your exhaled air Google carbon monoxide poisoning.

Further: If you have a question, please just do a search in the box at the top of the page before you ask, you will get lots of answers and ideas and not get any negative info from those that are tired of you asking. When I first started here seven years ago I read and read pages and pages of questions and answers, I wanted to try and educate myself before I got my machine. It was so much easier to don my mask at bedtime and roll over and go to sleep, I received good info from those that had started before me.

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wrong

no carbon MONoxide at all
but too much carbon DIoxide in the mask would keep the oxygen level down and cause problems

Who cares monoxide. dioxide, it would still be a BIg problem.

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thats what i say

but the bullies rake me over the coals if i make a meaningless mistake like that

I'm one who would never ever pop in and start jumping all over someone for a "Type-O" for example or a spelling error, but the difference between Dioxide vs Monoxide isn't Meaningless. We all (well most of us) know what was meant. Carbon Dioxide the gas that's all around us, that plants breath that, we exhale...

What I take issue with isn't so much the Monoxide comment in the first place. It was an accident. I think we can all agree that there are dead chemists all over the world rolling in their graves at the term "Meaningless" used to describe the difference between the two gases mentioned above.

There vs Their when used in a sentence are meaningless if the context is understood - but deadly poisonous gas vs gas that we naturally exhale while understood in context isn't what I'd call meaningless.

for what it's worth.

If the mask does not suit you, get a different mask.
Modifying the vents is a very bad idea.