Stubborn people

xxyzx wrote:

TedVPAP wrote:I don't know of any easy solutions.
I generally try two approaches.
The first is to figure out what I am trying to accomplish and focus on that. In this case it would likely be to determine if a change in CPAP treatment is warranted. To do that data is a must. I would try to see his data and ask others for input as to whether changes should be pursued. His argument about higher pressure causing more problems may be completely wrong, right in the past but no longer correct, or correct. Only with reexamining can a sound conclusion be reached.

The second approach is to apply challenge, ridicule, confrontation, ... to try to get the person to commit to proving you wrong. A stubborn person is convinced of their action/inaction so their only motivation is to prove someone else wrong. Along the way they may discover a truth (although they will not likely admit it at the time so don't press for full reversal - instead press for the possibility). It usually takes time and privacy to admit to oneself of being wrong. Then comes public admitting to others.

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it will be hard to get him to look at the data

he is absolutely convinced that he knows everything and is always correct
and that everybody has to do everything his way because he is so superior and has the right to dictate what we do eat think say and believe
did i mention he was a hardcore bernie supporter

otoh
after telling him which end was up on so many occasions
often after a few months he will have done what i suggested
and then say what a great idea he had and that it worked
having completely forgotten that i had told him what would work

xxyzx wrote:

Goofproof wrote:Lesson his load, take the tables from him. make one into a raised fire pit. Sell the rest to others as a kit to build their own or align them in the yard, staggered to park the car on, use concrete and forms to square it out. Less mowing. Jim

Then he could move on to the next thing on his reversed list. Some people only do what's bad for them, those types seldom change, they are their own worst enemy.

That's why they have the lives they do.

takes 4 people to lift the table
nobody wants them
i have no place to put them and no use for them

he has a hangup on getting govt entities to take them
most schools and libraries said no
ditto for parks and rec centers

you would have to pay somebody to haul them off
they are literally useless
even when new they were not used
they sat on the street
vandals scratched them up

i know two people like him who cause themselves no end of problems

xxyzx wrote:Neighbor is long time cpap user. He is clearly not being treated well. At least not currently. Hard to concentrate, falls asleep in the daytime, the usual stuff.

I tried to get him to look at his data and see what was going on in case he might need more pressure after all these years.

He said he uses 6-9 and wont use more because it bothers him. He says he prefers some apneas to the higher pressure annoying him.
Claims he sleeps better without raising the pressure, which may be true, but he sure shows all the signs of apnea causing him other problems.
Told me I should ignore my doctor and lower my pressure when I said it averaged 17.

But then he also claimed I am thin and should not have OSA just central. OTOH he is not very logical about most things.
He is definitely more overweight than I am. Everybody around here seems to be obese. So I guess comparatively that makes me skinny.

He has a letter from the IRS wanting money and demanding a reply. He ignored it for months so he could work on other issues he thinks are more important like finding someone to take (free!) huge stone tables the chess club has to dispose of. That is another odd story where they spent $4000 on stone tables to put on the sidewalk with chessboards on them. Why ???? Go figure. Anyway now the extra sidewalk width is being eliminated for expansion of a building and the tables have to go.

OSA IRS chess tables. What to do first? Turns out he also has an eviction notice if he doesn't arrange for them to replace the floor he ruined when he put in an unauthorised filter under the sink and it leaked all over. He got a stay, but is still spending time trying to give away tables that nobody wants. Did I mention the IRS is about to make the mafia look like a sunday school picnic if he doesnt pay up or reply. If you cant give something away free maybe you should just give up and move on to something more important.

It is clear his cpap is not doing the job if that is how he is thinking these days.
He was also a hard core bernie supporter for what that is worth to help explain things.

xxyzx wrote:

TedVPAP wrote:I don't know of any easy solutions.
I generally try two approaches.
The first is to figure out what I am trying to accomplish and focus on that. In this case it would likely be to determine if a change in CPAP treatment is warranted. To do that data is a must. I would try to see his data and ask others for input as to whether changes should be pursued. His argument about higher pressure causing more problems may be completely wrong, right in the past but no longer correct, or correct. Only with reexamining can a sound conclusion be reached.

The second approach is to apply challenge, ridicule, confrontation, ... to try to get the person to commit to proving you wrong. A stubborn person is convinced of their action/inaction so their only motivation is to prove someone else wrong. Along the way they may discover a truth (although they will not likely admit it at the time so don't press for full reversal - instead press for the possibility). It usually takes time and privacy to admit to oneself of being wrong. Then comes public admitting to others.

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it will be hard to get him to look at the data

he is absolutely convinced that he knows everything and is always correct
and that everybody has to do everything his way because he is so superior and has the right to dictate what we do eat think say and believe
did i mention he was a hardcore bernie supporter

Are you looking in the mirror right now?

otoh
after telling him which end was up on so many occasions
often after a few months he will have done what i suggested
and then say what a great idea he had and that it worked
having completely forgotten that i had told him what would work

zoocrewphoto wrote:I am curious to know why this post has good spelling and punctuation. What did you do differently, and can you do it more often? Please?

xxyzx wrote:

dont have a keyboard
no hands
lost them in combat defending freedom
i use voice to speech

and it keeps confusing shift with another word that better describes libtards

amess wrote:Think xxyzx Is trying. He wants to be part of this. Sometimes he gets it wrong. Well, many times he gets it wrong. Lets give him some slack and try and "enjoy" his presentations. You never know. You may learn something.

xxyzx wrote:

LSAT wrote:We really don't realize how fortunate we are to have the alphabet boy here to solve all our concerns. In the past month he has told us how to cure GERD and Hiatal Hernias, what to do for allergy, how to control central apnea, what meds we should and should not take, how to eliminate flatulence, what to do for sciatica. Just think of all the money we can save on co-pays and doctor visits....NOT..

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or you could learn from my doctors and not waste time and money when you have a possible solution to look at and evaluate