help interpreting my sh graphs.

ajack wrote:

zoocrewphoto wrote:

ajack wrote:obviously you can't help someone if you think it's not an issue because your average near median is also low.

I think you need to do some googling. most average peoples tidal volume is going to be around 500 average near median, unless you have a better explanation to why the tidal volume is low, I'll go with mouth breathing out.
a zoom in on the chart would help see what is going on

this is a typical target for tidal volume

But you can't treat an individual based on averages. It may be a starting point to check out, but that doesn't mean it is your goal. I would fail your breathing tests, and I am not in distress. Several years ago, a doctor tried to improve my breathing volume since I was below normal. She tried medications and exercises. My numbers improved slightly, nothing near normal. Simple fact is that I have a narrow airway. There is only so much air that can be pushed through my airway during a single breath.

I think your machine isn't reading all of your breath, because of posible mouth breathing out. You may eventually need to move to a bipap, but your respiration rate is ok. It will be really interesting to see your chart and stats, now that you have taped your mouth. I'll leave it at that for now.
When I was setting up my ST, there wasn't much on the forums about ventilation. It's really over my head still and I'm at the basics. It really is a learning curve.

You are responding to me, not the OP. My treatment is going fine, thank you. I don't use my nose at night and sleep with a full face mask as I totally mouth breathe. I was giving you an example of somebody who has normally low volume numbers because I simply can't push any more air through my narrow airway. I'm stuck with what I have. The only person who ever cared about my air volume was one doctor who finally realized it will not improve. And I am NOT in respiratory distress.

Pugsy wrote:

ajack wrote: In your haste to post, don't your read what people say?

Actually I do. I try real hard.

ZooCrewPhoto made that statement about "years ago"...Lliann didn't ever say anything like it that I could find.

I assumed you were talking to Lliann and not ZooCrew..

But maybe I was wrong and you were telling ZooCrew she need a bipap based on numbers you have never seen.

zoocrewphoto wrote:But you can't treat an individual based on averages. It may be a starting point to check out, but that doesn't mean it is your goal. I would fail your breathing tests, and I am not in distress. Several years ago, a doctor tried to improve my breathing volume since I was below normal. She tried medications and exercises. My numbers improved slightly, nothing near normal. Simple fact is that I have a narrow airway. There is only so much air that can be pushed through my airway during a single breath.

Pugsy, that is way funnier than I would have come up with. And quite correct.

zoocrewphoto wrote:Pugsy, that is way funnier than I would have come up with. And quite correct.

I was trying to interject a little humor but sometimes I end up like my husband...what he thinks is funny...isn't.
My sense of humor is a bit dry at times and non existent at others.
I actually had an apology posted because I had reread the entire thread at least 4 times looking for what he said llian said...and only found your comment about low lung volume...Then he quoted it and I got to looking and what he quoted was what you said so I had to go erase my eating crow.

I didn't want to come off sounding like a big bitch...but as I look at it I might have come across sounding like a little bitch.

He's trying to help. It's just that he is trying to apply his situation with his machine and his needs to others and basing his thoughts on one limited protocol which might well be true for AVAPS protocol but isn't true for the rest of us sort of normal apnea people.
There's no way that a short person like me or Lliann (found out she is just a couple of inches taller than me) is going to have anywhere near the lung volume as taller people. Our lungs simply aren't as big physically to start with. Most likely if I were to try to put his lungs in my rib cage they would be touching my bladder.

Pugsy wrote:

zoocrewphoto wrote:Pugsy, that is way funnier than I would have come up with. And quite correct.

I was trying to interject a little humor but sometimes I end up like my husband...what he thinks is funny...isn't.
My sense of humor is a bit dry at times and non existent at others.
I actually had an apology posted because I had reread the entire thread at least 4 times looking for what he said llian said...and only found your comment about low lung volume...Then he quoted it and I got to looking and what he quoted was what you said so I had to go erase my eating crow.

I didn't want to come off sounding like a big bitch...but as I look at it I might have come across sounding like a little bitch.

He's trying to help. It's just that he is trying to apply his situation with his machine and his needs to others and basing his thoughts on one limited protocol which might well be true for AVAPS protocol but isn't true for the rest of us sort of normal apnea people.
There's no way that a short person like me or Lliann (found out she is just a couple of inches taller than me) is going to have anywhere near the lung volume as taller people. Our lungs simply aren't as big physically to start with. Most likely if I were to try to put his lungs in my rib cage they would be touching my bladder.

When I was 19, I was diagnosed with asthma. THey did all kinds of attempts to get my breathing to improve. They would medicate me and retry. They would tell me to improve my technique. They accused me of not trying. They finally learned that the more the tested me, the more tired I got, and the worse my results. I just could not blow a decent volume of air. My doctor said that my airway was 30% smaller than normal for my body size. I do not know how the percentage was determined, but I have not experienced anything in the last 25 years to contradict that.

I have always had trouble swallowing pills. If they are not coated, they tend to stick to the back of my throat and slowly dissolve from there. I also tend to choke on pills and send them back up. I have to grease pills sometimes if they are too large, or cut them.

I have a very strong gag reflex. I have a narrow mouth. Multiple teeth extracted, Kid size xrays at every dentist. I cannot sleep lying down if my allergies are bad, or if I have a cold. Just can't breathe.

Also, I have no idea why, but I do not use my nose when I am lying down. I have always been a mouth breather during the day. When I am active, I just can't get enough air through my nose. Even when it is clear. But when I lay down, I just seem t o shut it off completely. I can use an oral mask without nasal plugs and no air comes out my nose. Once, while wearing my full face mask, I closed my mouth and tried to breathe though my mouth. I hated the sensation. Too much tickle going on. So, I will stick with mouth breathing. Works for me.

My mom is the opposite. She can swallow 10 pills at a time, no problem. She has allergies, but no asthma. We both have sleep apnea. She has obstructive sleep apnea, but looks like she has centrals. She stops breathing, can't see chest movement. Quiet, looks dead. I snore, snort, etc. We both use the same machine, same mask, similar pressure range. She goes without the humidifer, and I go with it as high as possible without rainout.


So, one thing I have learned is that everybody is different. What works for me may not work for somebody else. I will gladly offer what has helped me, but I will also offer what has helped others (and not me). Whatever works for each person. I just want them to have success.

Pugsy wrote:

zoocrewphoto wrote:Pugsy, that is way funnier than I would have come up with. And quite correct.

I was trying to interject a little humor but sometimes I end up like my husband...what he thinks is funny...isn't.
My sense of humor is a bit dry at times and non existent at others.
I actually had an apology posted because I had reread the entire thread at least 4 times looking for what he said llian said...and only found your comment about low lung volume...Then he quoted it and I got to looking and what he quoted was what you said so I had to go erase my eating crow.

I didn't want to come off sounding like a big bitch...but as I look at it I might have come across sounding like a little bitch.

He's trying to help. It's just that he is trying to apply his situation with his machine and his needs to others and basing his thoughts on one limited protocol which might well be true for AVAPS protocol but isn't true for the rest of us sort of normal apnea people.
There's no way that a short person like me or Lliann (found out she is just a couple of inches taller than me) is going to have anywhere near the lung volume as taller people. Our lungs simply aren't as big physically to start with. Most likely if I were to try to put his lungs in my rib cage they would be touching my bladder.

I'm quite happy to write it off as everyone's nerves are frazzled because of the troll. It turns out I was mistaken and mixed the two up in the posts
This is a forum for exchanging ideas. none of us are trained. Everything should be put past a doctor on the next appointment.

ajack wrote:The poster has acknowledged the tidal volume is low and a doctor tried to improve it..You really post too much and need to read studies and tech literature more. The self opinionated stuff is coming from you.

ajack=xxyzx?

Pugsy wrote:He's trying to help. It's just that he is trying to apply his situation with his machine and his needs to others and basing his thoughts on one limited protocol which might well be true for AVAPS protocol but isn't true for the rest of us sort of normal apnea people.
There's no way that a short person like me or Lliann (found out she is just a couple of inches taller than me) is going to have anywhere near the lung volume as taller people. Our lungs simply aren't as big physically to start with. Most likely if I were to try to put his lungs in my rib cage they would be touching my bladder.

You might as well say that xxyzx is *trying* to help, but neither know nearly as much as they seem to think they do, and refuse to listen to anybody with any *experience*. :sigh:

palerider wrote:You might as well say that xxyzx is *trying* to help, but neither know nearly as much as they seem to think they do, and refuse to listen to anybody with any *experience*. :sigh:

Well Ajack hasn't resorted to the racist slur name calling that mr alphabet boy loves to throw out that just irritates the piss out of me.
Plus Ajack writes in a manner that I can at least comprehend and doesn't look or sound like an 8 yr old with poor grammar skills.
He is respectful (for the most part) ...like I try to be (for the most part )
I would much rather fight with Ajack than someone whose only rebuttal to anything when someone questions him is pretty much an 8 year old whining about bullies and libtards because they can't come up with a well thought educated fact based rebuttal. There's no reasoning with an 8 yr old spoiled brat.

Ajack is like me (and you) ...a bit hard headed and going to vigorously defend his thoughts. Hopefully with time and learning he will learn to add "maybe" to some of his ideas or "something to think about" instead of dumping it in a load of set up concrete. That YMMV sticker I talk about...it's all over the place.
I worked in the medical field for over 35 years...it's everywhere.

Pugsy wrote:

palerider wrote:You might as well say that xxyzx is *trying* to help, but neither know nearly as much as they seem to think they do, and refuse to listen to anybody with any *experience*. :sigh:

Well Ajack hasn't resorted to the racist slur name calling that mr alphabet boy loves to throw out that just irritates the piss out of me.
Plus Ajack writes in a manner that I can at least comprehend and doesn't look or sound like an 8 yr old with poor grammar skills.

fair point.

zoocrewphoto wrote: I can use an oral mask without nasal plugs and no air comes out my nose. Once, while wearing my full face mask, I closed my mouth and tried to breathe though my mouth. I hated the sensation. Too much tickle going on. .

Just a non-scientific guess here, but I would think just about 100% of people would have some sort of difficulty trying to breath through a closed mouth?

-Bill



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wm_hess wrote:

zoocrewphoto wrote: I can use an oral mask without nasal plugs and no air comes out my nose. Once, while wearing my full face mask, I closed my mouth and tried to breathe though my mouth. I hated the sensation. Too much tickle going on. .

Just a non-scientific guess here, but I would think just about 100% of people would have some sort of difficulty trying to breath through a closed mouth?

-Bill



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Sorry. Typo. I tried to breathe though my nose while my mouth was closed.