| Machine: AirSense™ 10 CPAP Machine with HumidAir™ Heated Humidifier |
| Mask: DreamWear Nasal CPAP Mask with Headgear |
hi, thanks for this 3d model. however, if you bypass the humidx housing, are you also bypassing the vents to expel cO2? which is deadly!digitaldog888 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 04, 2018 3:32 pmI had exactly the same problem. The OP in post #1 of this thread had a solution that hacked together a tubing that would work with any mask including the N20. My original solution was to by-pass the humidX housing using a custom 3D printed connector as noted on page 2 of this thread. Unfortunately, it did not solve the noise problem. The only solution that worked for me was by using a Qtube muffler. More information could be found here:Willy4401 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 04, 2018 2:40 pmI recently started using CPAP a few months ago. I currently use a Resmed Air Sense 10 at home with a Resmed N20 nasal mask. When I started, I was using a Resmed AirFit F20 full face mask but didn’t like the fit. I much prefer the nasal mask.
I purchased the AirMini for travel and like the machine. Initially I purchased the F20 setup pack which allows me to connect the F20 full face mask, but as I said I don’t like the fit. I then purchased the setup pack for the N20 mask and while it works, the noise from the inline humidifier is too much. I don’t get any noise when using the F20 full face mask.
I have been trying to find a way to connect either the Resmed N20 nasal mask, or Resmed Mirage FX nasal mask to the airmini without an inline humidifier. As I have learned, Resmed does not make a hose for the Airmini that will work. I am a novice at this, but is anyone able to tell me how I might do this?
Any help will be appreciated.
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My solution requires access to a 3D printer. If you don't have access to a 3D printer, there are a number of 3D printing shops that could print the parts for you at a price.
I hope this helps.
All regular CPAP masks have passive vents built into them. The AirMini humidity retention system needs the vent to be on the supply side of the humidity disc so humidity doesn't vent and defeat the purpose, thus the AirMini uses special venting on modified P10 and N20 masks. Attaching a normal, vented CPAP mask without a humidity retention system with this hose adapter should be fine. Or, put another way, you cannot use the humidity retention system if you use a regular mask with this adapter.cpapjustin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 4:34 pm
hi, thanks for this 3d model. however, if you bypass the humidx housing, are you also bypassing the vents to expel cO2? which is deadly!
| Machine: ResMed AirSense™ 10 AutoSet™ CPAP Machine with HumidAir™ Heated Humidifier |
| Mask: DreamWear Nasal CPAP Mask with Headgear - Fit Pack (All Cushions Included with Medium Frame) |
| Additional Comments: APAP 6-12. EPR 2. Sleepyhead. |
hi storm, thanks for your reply. i failed to mention that i'm using n20 nasal mask. which the vent is on the lower end of the tube. https://www.thecpapclinic.com.au/files/ ... ac_eng.pdf , Image C. Item 8 and 9.Stom wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 4:55 pmAll regular CPAP masks have passive vents built into them. The AirMini humidity retention system needs the vent to be on the supply side of the humidity disc so humidity doesn't vent and defeat the purpose of the humidity retention system, thus the AirMini uses special venting on modified P10 and N20 masks as part of the humidification. Attaching a normal, vented CPAP mask without a humidity retention system with this hose adapter should be fine. That is, you cannot use the humidity retention system if you use a regular mask with this adapter.cpapjustin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 4:34 pm
hi, thanks for this 3d model. however, if you bypass the humidx housing, are you also bypassing the vents to expel cO2? which is deadly!
TangledHose wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2017 10:12 amI have a special need for a small ultra packable travel machine primarily for my extensive motorcycle touring trips where space is extremely limited. I started several years ago with a Transcend which frankly worked just fine, however, I got intrigued with the HDM Z1 and began to use it instead because it was somewhat smaller and a better packing shape than the Transcend. On a recent trip I managed to kill my Z1 (through my own negligence) so when I went to replace my busted Z1 I decided to give the AirMini a try instead.
The AirMini is a great little machine although all these ultra-small travel size machines do suffer from the high turbine speed Darth Vadar annoying breathing noise to varying degrees........I would rate the AirMini as suffering the effect the least, the Transcend almost tied with the AirMini maybe just slightly noisier, and the Z1 a very, very distant third (the Z1 is by far the noisiest of the three). I was really rather pleasantly surprised with the AirMini both in how smoothly it breathed, and how low it scored on my own personal breathing noise test/scale.
One major concern with the AirMini is ResMed's decision to attempt to make the AirMini proprietary in terms of the mask that can be used with the machine (huge, huge marketing mistake on ResMed's part!!!). However, where there is a will, there is a way -- I ordered the machine with the F20 full face mask option/bundle and tried the F20 which was acceptable, but not my personal first pick in full face masks in terms of comfort (personally I much prefer the F&P Simplus mask -- much more comfortable for me personally). With the F20 bundle you don't get the HME humidifier option (I personally don't need it for a travel machine anyway) but that leaves the door wide open to simply modify the F20 supplied hose so that you can then use any CPAP mask that you want. This also gives you the ability to use a third party HME cartridge if you feel the need such as the HDM HME cartridge, or a third party one that I think cpap.com carries if you search for it. But again, I really don't personally have a need for the not so effective HME option.
So the mask end of the F20 AirMini hose has a small swivel connector on it -- I have several hoses from other machines and one short hose piece that I think came with an F&P add-on external humidifier, but at any rate all you need is a short hose piece or coupler with the rubber/silicone attachment flange on the end. The silicone flange fits right over the swivel connector on the AirMini F20 hose end nice and snug, and then just use a liberal amount of clear silicone seal to glue and seal the connection. The connection is nice and snug and will not come loose as you toss and turn at night, I have used my modified hose successfully several nights with no problem whatsoever.........pictures below:
My modification adds a little more than an additional foot the ResMed hose with the short addition I used, but you may be able to find a coupler that is shorter than this one.......I will look when I get a chance and see if I can find a shorter option, but this short F&P hose splice works just fine with the pliable silicone end flanges.
Edit: I found a page on cpap.com with short hose coupler options that would work, just pick one with the rubber ends that can fit over the AirMini swivel coupler: https://www.cpap.com/cpap-hose/cpap-hose-short.php
| Machine: ResMed AirSense™ 10 AutoSet™ CPAP Machine with HumidAir™ Heated Humidifier |
| Mask: AirFit™ P10 Nasal Pillow CPAP Mask with Headgear |
| Additional Comments: ClimateLineAir Heated Tube & Sleepyhead software |
The HumidX approach relies on none of the water vapour in the exhaled being lost. If you connect a standard mask of any type to the output end of a HumidX (by any method) it will have C02 scavenging exhaust vents, so spme of the water vapour in the exhaled breath will be lost.
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The approach I took was to use the Z1 HME for humidification:billbolton wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 1:07 amThe HumidX approach relies on none of the water vapour in the exhaled being lost. If you connect a standard mask of any type to the output end of a HumidX (by any method) it will have C02 scavenging exhaust vents, so spme of the water vapour in the exhaled breath will be lost.
The HumidX humidification approach relies on having specific masks which do not have C02 scavenging exhaust vents, with C02 exhaust scavenging being done at the HumidX capsule holder, after water vapour was been captured.
Basically, if you want to connect any standard mask to a AirMini, you wont be able to use HumidX humidifcation.
Wow! Amazing responses that completely clarify the situation. Thanks.digitaldog888 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 11:31 amThe approach I took was to use the Z1 HME for humidification:billbolton wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 1:07 amBasically, if you want to connect any standard mask to a AirMini, you wont be able to use HumidX humidifcation.
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I can't say for sure if the HumidX is the cause of the noise but what I can say is that it makes no difference in the noise level if it was removed. I designed an adaptor that bypasses the HumidX and it made no difference. Others on this forum have suggested that the nature of how the Airmini is designed is what is causing the unacceptable noise level. I have to agree as it's difficult to design such a small platform with the same ability as the larger units to "smooth" out the air flow. I believe it's the turbulent airflow of the Airmini that is causing the noise. Hence, the QTube muffler helps to dampen the airflow somewhat.shlinder wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 5:08 pmWow! Amazing responses that completely clarify the situation. Thanks.digitaldog888 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 11:31 amThe approach I took was to use the Z1 HME for humidification:billbolton wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 1:07 amBasically, if you want to connect any standard mask to a AirMini, you wont be able to use HumidX humidifcation.
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As a counter, is it true that the big complaint about the AirMini being loud is BECAUSE of the HumidX component?
What would you all think of the ResMini connected to one of those small adaptors from Amazon attached to a TravelHose into the Z1 HME and a DreamWear nasal mask?
I was just about to buy the AirSense 10 to use with my DreamWear nasal mask, but if that setup works... well...
A couple of ideas come to mind.
| Machine: ResMed AirSense™ 10 AutoSet™ CPAP Machine with HumidAir™ Heated Humidifier |
| Mask: AirFit™ P10 Nasal Pillow CPAP Mask with Headgear |
| Additional Comments: ClimateLineAir Heated Tube & Sleepyhead software |
