Functioning like a drunk BEFORE Treatment?

The subject of this article is: "‘Global sleep crisis’ being caused by social pressures – scientists
https://www.rt.com/news/342177-sleep-st ... sis-world/

Bear with me while I get to the point in the next paragraph: The article reports a global study from the U. of Michigan. It addresses people who don't get enough sleep. Here's a quote from the article: "If you have very little sleep, you can perform just as well as when you are drunk, so not getting much sleep is indeed a global crisis right now," Forger said.

This is the main question: Since most of us had *more* than just a sleep deficit, in that we weren't getting proper sleep for *very* time because of sleep apnea, would you say you functioned on par with a drunk before you had effective CPAP therapy? Stated another way, do you feel a lot more alert, or "with it", or "grounded" (or chose whatever term you want) since starting your treatment?

* * * " I'm not as think as you drunk I am." * * *

Thank Goodness Global Warming is over, just before Summer. Now all we have is a Global Sleep Crisis, warn Paris! Jim

DeeCPAP wrote:would you say you also functioned on par with a drunk before getting effective CPAP therapy?

Ya know, just like you can't tell a drunk they've had too much to drink - you can't tell someone with undiagnosed/untreated sleep apnea they have sleep apnea. So maybe both do affect the reasoning part of the brain? I do know that people with undiagnosed/untreated sleep apnea make poor choices.

Although that study was not about sleep apnea, there is no doubt in my mind that I was running about half looped all the time. Now I have no excuse, so what's the problem now that I am well rested?

xxyzx wrote:

DeeCPAP wrote:The name of this article is: "‘Global sleep crisis’ being caused by social pressures – scientists
https://www.rt.com/news/342177-sleep-st ... sis-world/

Bear with me while I get to the point in the next paragraph: The article reports a global study from the U. of Michigan. It addresses people who don't get enough sleep. Here's a quote from the article: "If you have very little sleep, you can perform just as well as when you are drunk, so not getting much sleep is indeed a global crisis right now," Forger said.

This is the main question: Since most of us had *more* than just a sleep deficit, in that we weren't getting proper sleep for *very* time because of sleep apnea, would you say you functioned on par with a drunk before you had effective CPAP therapy? Stated another way, do you feel a lot more alert, or "with it", or "grounded" (or chose whatever term you want) since starting your treatment?

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depends on the person and how much sleep they didnt get

more like they function like that had a drink or two
some people dont notice it
others are wobbly
russians build up tolerance for large amounts of vodka
maybe we can build up tolerance for too little sleep

depends on your tolerance for alcohol
and your need for sleep and what your minimum is

clearly you can function if you get 'enough'
but you would be sharper and more alert if you had gotten some more

You make some very good points. It'd be interesting if we could build up a tolerance for too little sleep, but recent Nobel Prize winning research says otherwise. (A friend of mine, a research M.D. told me this was article is valid). I think it'd scare people into getting enough sleep because people around the globe are sleep deficient.

The Brain Eats Itself When It Doesn't Get Enough Sleep. http://www.sciencealert.com/the-brain-l ... ough-sleep

xxyzx wrote:

DeeCPAP wrote:

xxyzx wrote:

DeeCPAP wrote:The name of this article is: "‘Global sleep crisis’ being caused by social pressures – scientists
https://www.rt.com/news/342177-sleep-st ... sis-world/

Bear with me while I get to the point in the next paragraph: The article reports a global study from the U. of Michigan. It addresses people who don't get enough sleep. Here's a quote from the article: "If you have very little sleep, you can perform just as well as when you are drunk, so not getting much sleep is indeed a global crisis right now," Forger said.

This is the main question: Since most of us had *more* than just a sleep deficit, in that we weren't getting proper sleep for *very* time because of sleep apnea, would you say you functioned on par with a drunk before you had effective CPAP therapy? Stated another way, do you feel a lot more alert, or "with it", or "grounded" (or chose whatever term you want) since starting your treatment?

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depends on the person and how much sleep they didnt get

more like they function like that had a drink or two
some people dont notice it
others are wobbly
russians build up tolerance for large amounts of vodka
maybe we can build up tolerance for too little sleep

depends on your tolerance for alcohol
and your need for sleep and what your minimum is

clearly you can function if you get 'enough'
but you would be sharper and more alert if you had gotten some more

You make some very good points. It'd be interesting if we could build up a tolerance for too little sleep, but recent Nobel Prize winning research says otherwise. (A friend of mine, a research M.D. told me this was article is valid). I think it'd scare people into getting enough sleep because people around the globe are sleep deficient.

The Brain Eats Itself When It Doesn't Get Enough Sleep. http://www.sciencealert.com/the-brain-l ... ough-sleep

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my experience is that we can all function on a range of sleep and most people get too little
preferring to trade off efficiency for more time

that may be a bad tradeoff but it is workable up to a point
at some point you just cant function and do seem drunk

then you just collapse and sleep whether you want to or not

there was one idiot executive who forced himself to get by on 4 hours sleep a night
and was telling everyone who worked for him to sleep less

he thought he could learn to live with even less perhaps zero sleep

i am positive he had a big failure but we never heard more of him and his attempts

You made some good points. Maybe you can email the scientists who did the research? It'd make an interesting study
to find out how many hours are necessary for sleep for any given person.

Like you, I had a friend, a physician, who prided himself on only four hours sleep. He died in his 60's. Maybe people
can't judge how much sleep they need?

Here's an article that states six hours is enough sleep based on historic research. It may be okay for some, especially
for those who don't have sleep apnea, but with sleep apnea, it can put you in a semi-conscious fog.
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style ... 96281.html

This is a very interesting article from the NY Times:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/17/magaz ... eep-t.html

DeeCPAP wrote:This is a very interesting article from the NY Times:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/17/magaz ... eep-t.html

A great article.

I cringe when I think back to some of the decisions I made before going on to therapy for sleep apnoea. I also cringe to think what my colleagues would have thought of me.

DeeCPAP wrote:You made some good points.

Oh, puhleeze. Alphabet sludge shouldn't be encouraged.

It hurts YOUR credibility.

Holden4th wrote:

DeeCPAP wrote:This is a very interesting article from the NY Times:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/17/magaz ... eep-t.html

A great article.

I cringe when I think back to some of the decisions I made before going on to therapy for sleep apnoea. I also cringe to think what my colleagues would have thought of me.

You answered the question perfectly showing sleep apnea therapy can change people quit a lot, and improves functioning!