FOR Mr. JOHNNY GOODMAN AND SITE ADMINISTRAOR

wading thru the muck! · Post by **wading thru the muck!** » Sun Oct 29, 2006 11:39 am

Registered User wrote:
Hey, why can't I get in an attack, as most of you have?

Don't hide your identity and many folks will be more receptive to your criticisms.

For all of snoredogs intermitant negativity, he does post as himself (whomever he may be) and he does offer very useful opinions from time to time. dsm's point is that you'd be better received if you were to create an alias and post your comments. The problem lies in your attempt to have your comments as guest carry the gravitas of your status as a registered user. As long as you chose to conceal your registered identity your attempts will not be well received... another study in human nature.

snork1 · Post by **snork1** » Sun Oct 29, 2006 12:31 pm

I think snoredog exemplifies why the policy of only registered posts would NOT make any difference.

As long as we have registered jerks like him that get off on slamming and belittling people, stirring on other folks to do the same, the whole tone of the forum goes downhill, registered or not.

Offerocker · Post by **Offerocker** » Sun Oct 29, 2006 12:32 pm

wading thru the muck! wrote:
Registered User wrote:
Don't hide your identity and many folks will be more receptive to your criticisms.
Receptive? Why would that make the difference? A poorly-worded statement 'should' get the same reception, no matter WHO wrote it.

wading thru the muck! wrote: .... dsm's point is that you'd be better received if you were to create an alias and post your comments. The problem lies in your attempt to have your comments as guest carry the gravitas of your status as a registered user. As long as you chose to conceal your registered identity your attempts will not be well received... another study in human nature.
Sure was a study in the "not-so-nice" part of 'human 'nature'.

So, the lesson is, if I understand the responses correctly: Ignore the SOBs?

Tell me, will everyone who reads those personal remarks also 'Ignore', and recognize the SOBs for what they are? I think not, as you pointed out, we're dealing with 'human nature', right?

In a recent post, two respected members misunderstood each other, cleared it up between themselves, YET SOMEONE ELSE FUELED THE FIRE by name-calling, taunting, etc. This is no place for that, and interferes with the main thought of the thread.

I am asking that members NOT post PERSONAL ATTACKS UNDER "GUEST". PERIOD.

It is a moot point, because the ones who do that WILL continue.

What we may need is a method of capturing those comments and reporting them.

Offerocker · Post by **Offerocker** » Sun Oct 29, 2006 12:38 pm

snork1 wrote:I think snoredog exemplifies why the policy of only registered posts would NOT make any difference.

As long as we have registered jerks like him that get off on slamming and belittling people, stirring on other folks to do the same, the whole tone of the forum goes downhill, registered or not.

I highlighted the pertinent sentence, which are my exact sentiments!

So, downhill we go - or will we hear comments about that, too?

Why have there been no POSITIVE SUGGESTIONS to correct this problem?

wading thru the muck! · Post by **wading thru the muck!** » Sun Oct 29, 2006 12:54 pm

Offerocker wrote:
wading thru the muck! wrote: Don't hide your identity and many folks will be more receptive to your criticisms.
Receptive? Why would that make the difference? A poorly-worded statement 'should' get the same reception, no matter WHO wrote it.

I disagree, I am much more willing to debate folks with which I disagree if they are willing to stand behind what they say by putting their reputation at risk when saying it.

Offerocker wrote:
wading thru the muck! wrote: .... dsm's point is that you'd be better received if you were to create an alias and post your comments. The problem lies in your attempt to have your comments as guest carry the gravitas of your status as a registered user. As long as you choose to conceal your registered identity your attempts will not be well received... another study in human nature.
Sure was a study in the "not-so-nice" part of 'human 'nature'.

Wrong study... I was refering to the fact that people will be more considerate of alternate opinions from those who stand behind them with their reputaion.

Snoredog · Post by **Snoredog** » Sun Oct 29, 2006 1:07 pm

snork1 wrote:I think snoredog exemplifies why the policy of only registered posts would NOT make any difference.

As long as we have registered jerks like him that get off on slamming and belittling people, stirring on other folks to do the same, the whole tone of the forum goes downhill, registered or not.

I CHALLENGE you to disclose where I slammed or belittled you? I'll give you time to search for it. If you cannot pull that up here then you are a liar.

Fact: Nearly every post you've made here after going off the wagon was to discourage cpap patients into your way of thinking with tongue suckers, pillar and dental treatments. Half of which are shown not to address even moderate cases much less severe cases of OSA. Your goals and posts did nothing but make it harder for everyone here attempting to help a patient make it through cpap therapy.

I seen your discouragement of cpap therapy at every post was detrimental to the goals of this forum and only made our job that much harderand I told you so by taking that snake oil and dental treatment crap back over to TAS where it belongs. You started crying and left.

Your post above post exemplifies every post you have made since, you are still crying. Just like you I have every right to state my opinion, if you are belittled by that, then that is your problem not mine.

Then you fail to comprehend what it says at the top of every page:

www.cpaptalk.com - A Forum For All Things CPAP

It doesn't say alternatives to cpap or snake oil treatments. It says for all things CPAP. Fact is I even included a link to the Dental forum over on TAS in that post, pointing out your suggested treatment option is not all wine and roses like you say it is, as going to TAS you find out "it pops out of my mouth...my jaw is so sore I can't deal with the pain..." then the suggestions like give it 3 more months if that don't work give it 6 more months, if that don't work then I said to try Pillar. It is all over there, fact is there seems to be more problems associated with those treatments involving pain than with cpap. I think that is where you started crying and ran away.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sun Oct 29, 2006 1:33 pm

Offerocker, there is a peaceable solution. Instead of trying to change the policy of this forum to meet your requirements, why not go to a forum like TAS that shares your beliefs about prohibiting guest posting and already has that policy in place? You have a choice and don't need to suffer here with a policy you don't like. Then everybody wins.

GoofyUT · Post by **GoofyUT** » Sun Oct 29, 2006 2:11 pm

Snoredog wrote:
snork1 wrote:I think snoredog exemplifies why the policy of only registered posts would NOT make any difference.

As long as we have registered jerks like him that get off on slamming and belittling people, stirring on other folks to do the same, the whole tone of the forum goes downhill, registered or not.
I CHALLENGE you to disclose where I slammed or belittled you? I'll give you time to search for it. If you cannot pull that up here then you are a liar.

Fact: Nearly every post you've made here after going off the wagon was to discourage cpap patients into your way of thinking with tongue suckers, pillar and dental treatments. Half of which are shown not to address even moderate cases much less severe cases of OSA. Your goals and posts did nothing but make it harder for everyone here attempting to help a patient make it through cpap therapy.

I seen your discouragement of cpap therapy at every post was detrimental to the goals of this forum and only made our job that much harderand I told you so by taking that snake oil and dental treatment crap back over to TAS where it belongs. You started crying and left.

Your post above post exemplifies every post you have made since, you are still crying. Just like you I have every right to state my opinion, if you are belittled by that, then that is your problem not mine.

Then you fail to comprehend what it says at the top of every page:

www.cpaptalk.com - A Forum For All Things CPAP
It doesn't say alternatives to cpap or snake oil treatments. It says for all things CPAP. Fact is I even included a link to the Dental forum over on TAS in that post, pointing out your suggested treatment option is not all wine and roses like you say it is, as going to TAS you find out "it pops out of my mouth...my jaw is so sore I can't deal with the pain..." then the suggestions like give it 3 more months if that don't work give it 6 more months, if that don't work then I said to try Pillar. It is all over there, fact is there seems to be more problems associated with those treatments involving pain than with cpap. I think that is where you started crying and ran away.

Snoredog · Post by **Snoredog** » Sun Oct 29, 2006 2:36 pm

GoofyUT wrote:
Snoredog wrote:
snork1 wrote:I think snoredog exemplifies why the policy of only registered posts would NOT make any difference.

As long as we have registered jerks like him that get off on slamming and belittling people, stirring on other folks to do the same, the whole tone of the forum goes downhill, registered or not.
I CHALLENGE you to disclose where I slammed or belittled you? I'll give you time to search for it. If you cannot pull that up here then you are a liar.

Fact: Nearly every post you've made here after going off the wagon was to discourage cpap patients into your way of thinking with tongue suckers, pillar and dental treatments. Half of which are shown not to address even moderate cases much less severe cases of OSA. Your goals and posts did nothing but make it harder for everyone here attempting to help a patient make it through cpap therapy.

I seen your discouragement of cpap therapy at every post was detrimental to the goals of this forum and only made our job that much harderand I told you so by taking that snake oil and dental treatment crap back over to TAS where it belongs. You started crying and left.

Your post above post exemplifies every post you have made since, you are still crying. Just like you I have every right to state my opinion, if you are belittled by that, then that is your problem not mine.

Then you fail to comprehend what it says at the top of every page:

www.cpaptalk.com - A Forum For All Things CPAP
It doesn't say alternatives to cpap or snake oil treatments. It says for all things CPAP. Fact is I even included a link to the Dental forum over on TAS in that post, pointing out your suggested treatment option is not all wine and roses like you say it is, as going to TAS you find out "it pops out of my mouth...my jaw is so sore I can't deal with the pain..." then the suggestions like give it 3 more months if that don't work give it 6 more months, if that don't work then I said to try Pillar. It is all over there, fact is there seems to be more problems associated with those treatments involving pain than with cpap. I think that is where you started crying and ran away.

cflame1 · Post by **cflame1** » Sun Oct 29, 2006 5:52 pm

I am tired of seeing this crap going on all over the place in here lately. I wouldn't have answered this post at all except I wanted to say that I wished that Snoredog and Goofy and DSM as well... would just STOP BICKERING!

I hate it and all of their petty squabbles that seem to have to be aired in front of the whole world because they can't be bothered to do their arguing in private.

I've had at least one of you attempt to tell me what to do and ended up having to read all about another bickering session about who's right and who's got the most knowledge and experience. I've had enough!

Jere · Post by **Jere** » Sun Oct 29, 2006 9:13 pm

If I had not left my death ray gun on my space ship, I'd find some use for it on this thread.

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CollegeGirl · Post by **CollegeGirl** » Sun Oct 29, 2006 11:33 pm

Pick up an extra for me to use, Jere.

rock and roll · Post by **rock and roll** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 12:08 am

Wow,

This has gotton heated. I have yet to hear a good argument for a "guest" post, but I have sure heard a good many against it. I takes no time to do, and it sure saves a lot of hurt feelings. I for one will not leave a list that I was part of the beginning of. This really did start with a bunch of great caring people and for the most part it still does. But some just like to stir up trouble in a group that already is dealing with problems, depressions, and such and these guest issues are not reallt neccessary or constructive and they do nothing good. They only seem to hurt people. Johnny, listen to the majority here and fix this problem.

rustynail · Post by **rustynail** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 4:57 am

Ok, I speak for myself here but it would not surprise me to find that others started here in a similar fashion.

I first found cpaptalk.com as a Guest. I did not have my own pc hooked up to the internet, had no e-mail address (of my own) and was desperate for some information. cpaptalk.com enabled me to stick my head in the door and find out what , if anything, was here that could be beneficial to me and the state of my health as well as that of my young son.

Had I been required to register to merely check this out and perhaps to get a few bits of information, I would not have done so. (How, I had no computer or e-mail address of my own). Way back when (around Easter of 2005) I also had a few cpap related issues that were also basically of a 'for women only' topic. I do not think that at that time, I would have been able to have vented any of my concerns, situation, problems or however you care to label it- had I been forced to scream out my name in a huge room full of people that I did not know.

Later, (upon arriving back in Germany where I reside) I managed to beg time off another computer and got myself an e-mail address and came running back to cpaptalk.com as quick as I could, to become an officially registered user. I only just recently (23 Sept. 06) was able to get an internet connection at home (is not possible everywhere in germany unless you do a call by call which is just too expensive over here).

I am sure that there are others out there who have their own 'situations' that make it difficult for them to register, but nonetheless need the information, assistance and perhaps just contact with 'others' out there with the same basic problem.

JOHNNY GOODMAN, may God Bless You You and your crew were there for me when I was scared and isolated and had sooo many questions that I was able to resolve by being allowed access to all the postings that were here for me to browse thru as Guest. Thank you. I hope that you do not lock out the needy 'Guest' because a few bad apples have such sad little lives that they try to spoil it for the rest out of mere spitefulness.

Tricia: Gratefully singing her version of 'Julio and Willie' in the background.

SpookyFodder · Post by **SpookyFodder** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 5:32 am

In my honest opinion what this thread needs is a moderator to lock it and warn anyone who has violated the terms of Usage Agreement. Nothing good comes from threads like this. Most or all of the valuable information is eclipsed by the virtual shouting match that is taking place at the same time. As it escalates more and more toes are going to get stepped on and more and more people are going to line up on one side or the other further polarizing the opinions of a significant number of people here. I am surprised that any direct insults are allowed by the moderator.

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