A comparison of the ResMed S8 Vantage and the Remstar Auto

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A comparison of the ResMed S8 Vantage and the Remstar Auto

Post by GoofyUT » Wed Aug 23, 2006 2:22 pm

A user’s comparison of experiences with the ResMed S8 AutoSet Vantage w/EPR and the Respironics RemStar Auto w/C-Flex

Introduction
I was first diagnosed with moderate obstructive sleep apnea (AHI=23) on April 4th following a precipitously scheduled split-night sleep study conducted on my last night of a five day admission to my local hospital’s cardiac care unit (CCU) following my first (and only) heart attack. I was titrated to a prescribed pressure of 10 cmh2o during that split-night study.

I was discharged and started on CPAP three days later with a Fisher and Paykel HC608 CPAP with integrated humidifier and integrated heated hose, set to my titrated pressure of 10cmh20. I was also issued a ResMed Activa with a large cushion. However, I visited my sleep clinic’s RT one week later and was switched to a ResMed Swift after I experienced difficulties adjusting to the Activa.

One month later, I switched from the Fisher and Paykel CPAP to a ResMed S8 AutoSet Vantage w/EPR (APAP) with pressures set to the range of 7-14cmh20, no EPR (EPR is NOT available in AutoSet modes in ResMed autos), Humidaire H3i humidifier set to 3.5. I therefore, had nearly three months experience in using the S8 every night before I acquired a Respironics RemStar Auto w/C-flex, which I have been using consistently and every evening since, again, in AFLEX mode, pressures set to 7-14cmh2o, C-flex set to 2, humidifier set to 2. I have therefore, 28 nights of experience with the RemStar and I’d now like to offer my impressions of these two benchmark auto-titrating CPAPs to the members of the CPAPtalk community. Please remember however, that what follows is completely anecdotal, has NO scientific merit and is therefore, absolutely NOT generalizable beyond me and my subjective experiences.

Human Factors
Beginning and becoming adjusted to xPAP treatment, while life-saving, is life-changing as well. Beyond the sensory experiences that arise from the noises, the feeling of sleeping with a mask on (which I believe arouses primal fears of suffocation and confinement), the feeling of dragging the hose around throughout the night, the sound of the exhaust on the masks, etc., there is the feeling of being reminded each and every evening that we have a sickness that needs peri-invasive care, and the concerns about how attractive or hideous this new experience makes us to our spouses/partners/dates or even to ourselves. It’s a REAL challenge that each of us face, and so, I’m thoroughly grateful for ANY thought or effort that a manufacturer puts into the design of it’s equipment that will help to ease the burden of becoming and adjusting to being a new lifelong xPAP patient. In this regard ResMed is the absolute hands down winner.

The S8 Vantage AutoSet has an odd form factor that makes it look a little like a miniature desktop sized canister vacuum cleaner, like our moms had. However, it is cased in bright colors that are various combinations of off-white, deep cobalt, and silver or green or blue accents depending on the model. The overall appearance gives a sort of “hip” presentation and it does not look particularly medical (its TOO funky looking to be medical). It has a bright, clear and easily readable back-lit dot-matrix LCD screen, and the back-light is invaluable when viewing settings in the dark, while also being on a timer to automatically dim itself so as not to disturb you as you try to fall asleep. The buttons are also large, illuminated and easily used. The Humidaire H3i integrates nicely on the front of the S8 and draws its power from the S8. Its reservoir is very easily filled by popping open its lid, with no need to disconnect any hose fittings. The humidifier is easily cleaned and seems to do an adequate job, though many have noticed that it seems to function as a pass through with settings below 4.0. The S8/H3i combo is TINY and well suited for traveling. The S8 (not H3i) operates directly off of 12 volts and has a switching power supply to adjust automatically to mains voltage throughout the world. It comes with a great, blue nylon fitted travel case the size and shape of a modern laptop briefcase. It’s an IDEAL travel machine.

The VERY BEST part of the human factors design of the S8 Elite and Vantage however, is the user’s ability to query and view efficacy data including 95% pressure, mask leakage, AHI, AI, and HI as well as usage/compliance data on a nightly, weekly, monthly, six-monthly and yearly basis DIRECTLY on the S8’s LCD screen without the need for any card-readers, software, computers or downloading. The user can, with a few simple keystrokes view this basic efficacy data instantaneously on his/her S8’s LCD screen. Having said this however, the more complete dataset reported by using ResMed’s AutoScan v5.7 software, if one chooses to purchase the odd form-factor card-reader and software, is MUCH more limited and less useful than the equivalent software for use with Respironics machines.

In contrast, the RemStar Auto W/C-flex, in terms of human factors design, is an ABOMINATION!!!! Its design is SO primitively bad that it reflects poorly on the American state-of-the-art in industrial design. It looks like some high schooler’s science fair project. Actually, it looks EXACTLY like a home aquarium air pump, on steroids. It’s an ugly shade of black. It has tiny buttons that aren’t well labeled and whose functions are NOT intuitive. The humidifier integrates in an odd way, and setting it is even odder. In order to refill the reservoir, you have to struggle with pulling off the air hose and then replacing that fitting, daily. Its LCD screen is tiny, is not a dot-matrix display, is NOT backlit whatsoever, but that’s OK because it doesn’t really display any useful information. It’ll sit there telling you the number of therapy hours that it has logged when its off, and it’ll tell you the pressure that its blowing at in 0.5cmh2o increments when its on, (but ya can’t read it in the dark, when its on).

In order to get useful data out of it, the user has to acquire the Respironics software EncorePro as well as a compatible smart-card reader, But, having done so, the user will be acquainted with a VASTLY more useful suite of data and information than is available from ResMed either in its LCD screen or via its software. But, NO DATA is available from RemStar Autos without software, though I’m told that the new M series Auto and Pro will report 7 and 30 day average AHI and leakage on its LCD screen.

The RemStar Auto is much large and clunkier than the ResMed S8 and therefore, is much more poorly suited to travel than is the ResMed S8, in my opinion.

Clinical Experience (Results)
Here comes the meat of the matter. I’d like to offer my impression of the experiences that I had with the two, and some speculations of why I experienced those differences. Again, these impressions are borne of three months experience with the ResMed S8 AutoSet Vantage w/EPR and 28 days with the RemStar Auto w/C-Flex.

Simply put, I sleep MUCH better with the RemStar Auto w/C-flex. Though until very recently, I was NOT successful in sleeping through the night with either machine, I nonetheless had fewer and shorter awakenings with the RemStar Auto w/ C-flex than I did with the ResMed S8 AutoSet Vantage w/EPR. I also felt more rested and refreshed upon awakening after therapy with the RemStar than with the S8, and I experienced my first series of dreams that I could remember in a long time when using the RemStar.

For the last 11 days, I have been taking alprazolam (Xanax™) 0.5 mg at hour of sleep, and have consistently slept through the night without awakenings. I never attempted this with the S8 so I don’t know whether it would have worked as well with the S8 or not. But I did try taking Ambien CR™ 12.5 mg at hour of sleep with the S8 and found that it did NOT work to produce any desirable effect for me.

In terms of numbers, my average AHI during my time with the S8 was 3.22, and it operated at an average 95% pressure of 8.68. In contrast, my average AHI with the RemStar Auto was 2.0 (a 38% reduction from that achieved with the S8 ), and it operated at an average pressure of 8.0, and an average 90% pressure of 9.4.

Discussion
Here’s how I understand the dramatic differences in the clinical experience I had with these two well tested, well used and well respected auto-titrating CPAP flow generators/humidifier combinations. I generally found that the RemStar offers a “kinder and gentler” experience than does the ResMed S8. When using the S8, I was often aware of awakening on several occasions during the night with my first conscious thought being aware of the sensation of torrents of high-pressure air blowing through my nose. These arousals and awakenings were often unsettling enough that I’d fully awaken and then be unable to get back to sleep. So, my sleep architecture was certainly fragmented, and I was awfully tired. This has not happened with the RemStar.

Now, I’m not trying to suggest that the ResMed operated at higher pressures consistently. To the contrary, as I reported earlier, my average 95% pressure with the S8 was considerably (8%) lower than the average 90% pressure with the RemStar. However, I do believe that the difference in clinical experiences that I had is directly attributable to algorithmic differences between the two.

As is demonstrated in the Eiken and McCoy article http://www.sleepreviewmag.com/pdf/AA_Report.pdf , the ResMed S8 demonstrates a much sharper attack of a scored event with a much faster rise time of its treatment pressure

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than does the Respironics Remstar Auto

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Additionally, the Resmed demonstrates a much slower decay of its increased treatment pressure response and so, it is blowing at higher pressures longer than the RemStar which settles back to its baseline pressure in about half the time that it takes the S8 to settle back to baseline. It is my belief that the combination of sudden attack time and slow decay lead to much more frequent cortical arousals for me with the ResMed, and that the RemStar, with its more temperate response algorithm, provides me as, or more effective treatment with far fewer arousals resulting in a better and more restful night’s sleep.

I did so want to like the ResMed better because of the almost monolithic allegiance to Respironics demonstrated on this forum (and when it comes to human factors, there’s no question but that I do like ResMed FAR better), but I’ve reported my honest impressions.

Remember, these are ONLY MY IMPRESSIONS, so don’t waste my time with flamethrowers. And, these are only MY impressions and they mean absolutely nothing for anyone else.

Hope this helps someone.

Chuck


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Post by dsm » Wed Aug 23, 2006 2:53 pm

Chuck,

A great report, well written and very credible.

Amusingly, from my own experience, I wasn't bothered of the Remstar form factor - my usual description here has been 'built like a panzer tank' - big blockish, but reassuring

I still have my Remstar AUTO (my 1st cpap machine) & am quite 'fond' of it as it was quiet & behaved very well. The 3i humidifier is a great improvement over the 2i, but again the Remstar H/H never bothered me. The little funnel that came with it made it pretty straight forward to fill. I am using a 2i just at the moment & that is a PITB.

The S8 (I don't have the AUTO) remains my favorite travel machine (but so was a PB420S until I sold it). The S8 is very quiet - the Remstar AUTO being so quiet that I regularly would reach up to the mask to check it was working.

The ResMed S7 range are famous for a delightful hum. ResMed have fixed that issue with both the S8 and their new VPAP Adapt blower (a work of art - twin opposed impellers, on a high torque low inertia motor shaft, balanced noiseless, powerful & very fast acceleration )


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Post by Goofproof » Wed Aug 23, 2006 3:16 pm

I guess I'm Ok then, as being Sub-Human (I don't have any sculpture, on the tables by my bed), Just the Cave Drawings, on my Cave Wall. I just got my third Remstar, in the mail today, a APAP, been giving it a good cleaning for tonights test run. It's got 1300 hours on it. I'm going to take the new APAP up tp the first floor Cave, and have the Pro2 in reserve.

Next weeks toy, a Comfortfull2 Med mask, in about 4 days. This latest APAP, had a Nasal Mask with it, I'll try it later, but I doubt if it will work for me, at least I'll see for sure if I mouthbreath, I'll bet I do. Jim

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Post by Guest » Wed Aug 23, 2006 5:01 pm

Chuck,

Thanks for a very thorough, well written and objective analysis of two of the leading APAP's on the market today. I am fascinated by the results and intrigued by your conclusions. I may have to try a Respironics device - either the Bipap Auto or the regular Auto and do my own test. I'm hard pressed trying to decide between the Bipap Auto and the regular Auto. Maybe Rested Gal can give me some good advice?

I'm glad your treatment program is making your quality of life better, and I wish you many healthy years into the future.

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Post by Paul B » Wed Aug 23, 2006 5:02 pm

Sorry, previous post was me.

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Post by DreamStalker » Wed Aug 23, 2006 5:54 pm

Thanks for the well written report Chuck. It would sure be nice if sleep docs could actually place their patients on each of the various APAPs to collect data and then determine which machine is best for each individual patient … heck they might even get to do some real science while they are at it. Anyway, I was also noting other differences between the ResMed and RemStar apnea and hypopnea curves.

The ResMed seems to use a steep linear function for the attack and an exponential decay function for the receding pressure. It also uses the same functions during the peak pressure response possibly to probe if obstruction has cleared.

The RemStar on the other hand uses an increasing step function for the attack which overshoots and then levels out into a flat constant peak pressure (with intermittent drops possibly checking to see if obstruction has cleared). It then goes into a linear decay for the receding part of the curve.

These curves provide some insight into the numerical basis used for the two different algorithms IMO.

Thanks again for the report … lots of useful info.

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Post by GoofyUT » Wed Aug 23, 2006 7:10 pm

I wanted to add two points to my comparison of the ResMed and Respironics autos taht I intende to include in my original posting, but which I overlooked. I am ENORMOUSLY grateful to DSM for his accurate and well-crafted posting regarding relative noise of the two units, and I'd like to add my impressions.

Of the three xPAP flow generators I've had experience with, the Fisher and Paykel HC608 CPAP is far and away the most quiet. It is virtually silent when blowing air at a fixed pressure of 10.0cmh2o. On awakening in the night, I was forced on MANY occasions to feel the exhaust from my mask with my hand or intentionally open my mouth just to reassure myself that it was, in fact, still running. Its a BIG, sturdy, well-built machine with GREAT human factors and design (though not well suited for travel), but it IS a CPAP and it DOES NOT collect or report ANY efficacy data. It has a superb integrated intelligent humidification system with an integrated HEATED hose, though I found that the heated hose made the air unacceptably stuffy, and I couldn't find a way to adjust it otherwise. I've heard however, that the firmware may have changed to deal with this, and this would be a good question to ask of F&P when they come to an interview here.

Regarding the two autos, I found them both to be very quiet indeed. As DSM pointed out, ResMed has a wonderful new compact blower (which I believe is manufactured by one of the iterations of Hoffman Labs , the Breathe-X people, but don't quote me on this). The ResMed and the Respironics are, in my opinion, as quiet as one another, though there is some noise associated with both the blower and the movement of air.

The difference is in the frequency of that nosie. The ResMed is considerably higher. More of a whine, really. I'd estimate thatt the noise of the ResMed varies in frequency in the range of 175-225hz, varying with inspiration and expiration. The Respironics also varies in the same way, but with more of a rumble, in the range of 50-100hz. Neither is objectionable in my opinion, and the acceptance of the noise will vary by taste (and I would guess age and gender too). I have NO experience with the reportedly noisier Respironics M series.

One last point I'd like to make. A female member of our community posted recently something to the extent that dealing with xPAP is tough enough, and so, she appreciates seeing her more cheerful looking ResMed S8 sitting there on her night-stand. I couldn't agree more.

Hope this helps.

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Post by DreamStalker » Wed Aug 23, 2006 7:35 pm

Chuck I meant to ask you about ResMed's AutoScan software and card reader. You stated in your report that it was not as robust as Respironics version.

1) Is it possible to access the raw data as text from the ResMed card reader alone and then just use Excel or Access to store and analyze the data?

2) or do you need the AutoScan software in order to convert raw binary data from the xPAP machine via card reader into text format?

Basically I want to determine if it is worth paying for the card reader and AutoScan software or better to save the money and just manually take the data off the machine every morning and enter it into Excel.

If the card reader can load raw text data onto the PC ... I'm sure I can decipher it and organize it into Excel and that might be worth buying without the AutoScan software.

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Post by Snoredog » Wed Aug 23, 2006 8:26 pm

overall a good report. While I don't agree with your description of its poor American design, you have to take in consideration you are comparing Respironics OLD machine to Resmed's NEW machine. It is much easier to make something better when you see what the competition has to offer. If you want to compare Oranges to Oranges compare the older Remstar Auto w/Cflex to the Spirt not the Vantage. IF you want to compare heads up on that one you have to compare it to the new M series machine, then you will be comparing the latest of both offerings.

Humdifier: I don't see where the hassle is, I use a 90 degree elbow that came with my aussie heated hose on the tank, it comes off easily doesn't wear anything out and very easy to refill right on the machine using a small 3" funnel and a gallon jug of distilled water. The humdifier has always worked very well with very few complaints. I do however hate that green LED as it shines in your eyes all night long if you face that direction, I finally put a piece of black electrical tape over it when I do use it. But this time of the year I never use the heat. Its design is very compact, doesn't add much to the footprint is square vs egg shape so it sits closer to the wall on the night stand. I like to rest my mask with hose connected on top of the machine between the hose connection to the tank and the wall.

Buttons: I've never had any problems seeing or using the buttons, after you program the thing the only one you use is the On/Off button and maybe the ramp down button. They are lighted buttons so they are EASY to see in the dark. By contrast the buttons on the Resmed are more difficult to hunt and find and even harder on the S8 as they are now smaller than what was found on the Spirit.

Yes there is no backlight on the Remstar LCD but all you need is a small LED flashlight if you are that determined on seeing it. I "limit" my pressure so my pressure would/should always be found up at the Maximum anyway.

Noise: I know the Spirit was always more noisy than my Remstars even my Pro. I had 3 different Remstars and the Spirit was always more noisy. They tell me that the S8 is more noisy than the S7 Spirit.
Simply put, I sleep MUCH better with the RemStar Auto w/C-flex. Though until very recently, I was NOT successful in sleeping through the night with either machine, I nonetheless had fewer and shorter awakenings with the RemStar Auto w/ C-flex than I did with the ResMed S8 AutoSet Vantage w/EPR. I also felt more rested and refreshed upon awakening after therapy with the RemStar than with the S8, and I experienced my first series of dreams that I could remember in a long time when using the RemStar.
That is pretty much the findings from most that use the Remstar Auto after owning or using a Resmed.
I generally found that the RemStar offers a “kinder and gentler” experience than does the ResMed S8. When using the S8, I was often aware of awakening on several occasions during the night with my first conscious thought being aware of the sensation of torrents of high-pressure air blowing through my nose. These arousals and awakenings were often unsettling enough that I’d fully awaken and then be unable to get back to sleep. So, my sleep architecture was certainly fragmented, and I was awfully tired. This has not happened with the RemStar.
“kinder and gentler”? I've said that many times, in fact I even stated it in one of the reviews on cpap.com. I'm on my 3rd Remstar Auto, the last one with Cflex. Nothing ever wrong with any of them many times upgrading to get the later firmware. I would say the latest Remstar Auto w/Cflex is MORE responsive than the first version I purchased.

When you compare technology of the Remstar Auto you have to look at what else was available when it came out not when a product is at the end of its life cycle. Pop yours apart and examine all the components on the main board, all surface mount components used, all CAD/CAM designed, state of the art and far from being "poorly" designed. Compared to the Spirit which was it's equal, the Resmed machine is a dinosaur by comparison.

The old series Remstar Auto is a great ole machine, which has gone through several firmware upgrades over its life span and many improvements to its performance made even better when they added C-Flex to the list. I would and did purchase my last one for that feature alone.

Bottom line with any machine is how it makes you feel the next day as that is what really counts. IF you want to see which Autopap is the market leader go to cpap.com and click on sort "by Popularity", the Remstar Auto has always been on top and the S8 Vantage in last or 5th place. That is not my opinion, that is fact, cpap moves probably more machines than any other cpap vendor in the country. Pretty hard to argue with the facts.

IF you really want to see why Resmed delayed its 40% price increase, just pull up the post by Wulfman on the CPAP.COM newsletter and click on the report for number of machines sold, Resmed's SALES tanked after that stupid press announcement. Even the 420G was out selling it.

but overall a good review


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Post by GoofyUT » Wed Aug 23, 2006 8:52 pm

Roberto-

Unfortunately, I'm not expert enough to be able to answer, or even comment on the questions that you raise. Perhaps those that have more experience and are more expert than I, such as Nighthawkeye, DSM, DMEguy, Snoredog and Rested Gal have confronted or even come up with solutions to direct data dumps from the S8. I'd ask them for help, or post a thread posing your questions, and see what turns up. I do recall some posts about using the Infineer Smart Card reader with modifications to accomodate ResMed's SmartCard form factor to query the data loaded onto the SmartCard. Apparently, the pin-outs are the same between ResMed and Respironics cards. But then comes the matter of the driver, which would have to be customed.

I have found that AutoScan was only slightly more useful than the data provided on the LCD. It does provide some summary data for which I'm sure that a model could be constructed in Excel to provide the same summary data. However, the detail data showing pressures, and event scoring over time WOULD require a data dump.

Here's a graph of data I took off the S8 LCD daily, for demonstration purposes:

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I did my best to accumulate the data on the LCD over time and used Excel to manage and understand it.

Hope this provides you some help, Roberto.

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Post by Snoredog » Wed Aug 23, 2006 9:06 pm

ChuckUT wrote:
Unfortunately, I'm not expert enough to be able to answer, or even comment on the questions that you raise. Perhaps those that have more experience and are more expert than I, such as Nighthawkeye, DSM, DMEguy, Snoredog and Rested Gal have confronted or even come up with solutions to direct data dumps from the S8. I'd ask them for help, or post a thread posing your questions, and see what turns up.
On the older S7 Spirit, you direct connected a standard 9-pin female to female RS-232 cable to the RS-232 port on the machine to a COMx port on your computer. The AutoScan software would download all the raw data from the unit and generate the report. It stored the data on the computer. That functioned pretty good. The 420E works about the same but uses a modular cable.

S8 RS-232 Port? I recall seeing one RS-232 port on the early pictures of the S8 but haven't seen it since the released model. I don't know if it has one under the cover or not, if it did, I would suspect it would also work as direct connect.

The Spirit had another special port on the back, I think that was for interfacing with a Sleep Lab equipment for remote control during titration. Respironics makes special lab machines for this same purpose.

SmartCard is harder to hack, they have security features on the card that makes it difficult to even read the card unless you have to software that sends the correct password. If the correct password isn't supplied to the SmartCard within 4 attempts it goes "off-line". The LED will go from green to red. I'm sure it can be hacked with a sniffer and the right equipment. I gave DSM the schematic for the SmartCard so I'm waiting for him


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Post by dsm » Thu Aug 24, 2006 4:14 am

[quote="Goofproof"]I guess I'm Ok then, as being Sub-Human (I don't have any sculpture, on the tables by my bed), Just the Cave Drawings, on my Cave Wall. I just got my third Remstar, in the mail today, a APAP, been giving it a good cleaning for tonights test run. It's got 1300 hours on it. I'm going to take the new APAP up tp the first floor Cave, and have the Pro2 in reserve.

Next weeks toy, a Comfortfull2 Med mask, in about 4 days. This latest APAP, had a Nasal Mask with it, I'll try it later, but I doubt if it will work for me, at least I'll see for sure if I mouthbreath, I'll bet I do. Jim

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Snoredog wrote:ChuckUT wrote:
Unfortunately, I'm not expert enough to be able to answer, or even comment on the questions that you raise. Perhaps those that have more experience and are more expert than I, such as Nighthawkeye, DSM, DMEguy, Snoredog and Rested Gal have confronted or even come up with solutions to direct data dumps from the S8. I'd ask them for help, or post a thread posing your questions, and see what turns up.
On the older S7 Spirit, you direct connected a standard 9-pin female to female RS-232 cable to the RS-232 port on the machine to a COMx port on your computer. The AutoScan software would download all the raw data from the unit and generate the report. It stored the data on the computer. That functioned pretty good. The 420E works about the same but uses a modular cable.

S8 RS-232 Port? I recall seeing one RS-232 port on the early pictures of the S8 but haven't seen it since the released model. I don't know if it has one under the cover or not, if it did, I would suspect it would also work as direct connect.

The Spirit had another special port on the back, I think that was for interfacing with a Sleep Lab equipment for remote control during titration. Respironics makes special lab machines for this same purpose.

SmartCard is harder to hack, they have security features on the card that makes it difficult to even read the card unless you have to software that sends the correct password. If the correct password isn't supplied to the SmartCard within 4 attempts it goes "off-line". The LED will go from green to red. I'm sure it can be hacked with a sniffer and the right equipment. I gave DSM the schematic for the SmartCard so I'm waiting for him


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Snoredog wrote:ChuckUT wrote:
Unfortunately, I'm not expert enough to be able to answer, or even comment on the questions that you raise. Perhaps those that have more experience and are more expert than I, such as Nighthawkeye, DSM, DMEguy, Snoredog and Rested Gal have confronted or even come up with solutions to direct data dumps from the S8. I'd ask them for help, or post a thread posing your questions, and see what turns up.
On the older S7 Spirit, you direct connected a standard 9-pin female to female RS-232 cable to the RS-232 port on the machine to a COMx port on your computer. The AutoScan software would download all the raw data from the unit and generate the report. It stored the data on the computer. That functioned pretty good. The 420E works about the same but uses a modular cable.

S8 RS-232 Port? I recall seeing one RS-232 port on the early pictures of the S8 but haven't seen it since the released model. I don't know if it has one under the cover or not, if it did, I would suspect it would also work as direct connect.

The Spirit had another special port on the back, I think that was for interfacing with a Sleep Lab equipment for remote control during titration. Respironics makes special lab machines for this same purpose.

SmartCard is harder to hack, they have security features on the card that makes it difficult to even read the card unless you have to software that sends the correct password. If the correct password isn't supplied to the SmartCard within 4 attempts it goes "off-line". The LED will go from green to red. I'm sure it can be hacked with a sniffer and the right equipment. I gave DSM the schematic for the SmartCard so I'm waiting for him
Snoredog,

The S8 comes with a changeable back panel.

1) Allows the datacard to be inserted
2) Allows a serial port to be attached

The serial port is a waste of money, cheaper to stick with the supplied data card & a $34 USB card reader that can read the unique S8 datacards.

The data downloaded from the ResMeds into AutoScan can be exported into a datafile that can further be massaged. I am part way through writing a program to rework the data exported from AutoScan

See the links at the very bottom for some examples of data extracted from an Ohmeda 3740 PO & A VPAP III

http://www.internetage.com/cpapdata/

I plan on being able to produce a single chart that integrates both (I guess I am cloning the Reslink charts).

DSM
DSM -

So as I understand it, we must still use a copy of the AutoScan software to convert the raw data from the xPAP machine to useable text format regardless of what hardware interface we use to get it into the PC?

All I need is to get data from the APAP into the PC in a text format ... then I can write a Perl script to format into whatever I want.

Thanks,

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Post by cpapjack » Thu Aug 24, 2006 7:14 am

dsm wrote:a $34 USB card reader that can read the unique S8 datacards.
So what's this $34 USB card reader? I was under the impression that yuou could only use the one that cpap.com sells?