Hybrid plunge...Sore (Swift) nares, anyone?

chdurie2 · Post by **chdurie2** » Tue Aug 15, 2006 9:53 am

Hi guys:

Before I take the hybrid plunge, I was wondering whether any of you bybrid-ites have had sore nares, a la the kind people get from Swift. I did a search and found one person who had sore nares for a coupla days, but the other "sore" stuff was too spread out and diffuse for me to focus on hybrid-possibly sore. I have a hard time with swift and got tired of vaseline and ayr gel and the whole drill. But I was thinking that maybe soreness, if at all might not be as intense with Hybrid, since the air going into your nose is more diffuse, meaning it's also going to the mouth area.

Comments? Experiences?

Thanks.

Caroline

Maryb · Post by **Maryb** » Tue Aug 15, 2006 10:53 am

For me the hybrid chin cup seems to hold my mouth shut so that I breath through my nose mostly. With the hybrid the trick is to get the angle of the pillows into the nares right. Some people have trouble with the pillows popping out in the night. Others have reported sores at the base of their nose.
For me, my nares get a little sore at the base of the nose probably because of how I tighten the mask to keep the pillows in my nares. I'd say I have about the same amount of soreness that I had with the Swift but in a slightly different place in my nares. Some days are better than others and eventually your nose toughens up. That's been my experience with the hybrid.
The hybrid does have the softest pillows of any mask I've tried (masks I've tried = Breeze, Swift, Hybrid).

Maryb

krousseau · Post by **krousseau** » Tue Aug 15, 2006 10:54 am

I have not had any problem with sore nares using the Hybrid for a min of 7 hr each night. I do put a very thin smear of "unpetrolatum" (castor oil, beeswax, vit e + mix from health food store) around the rims of my nares. The unpetrolatum is to allow the pillows to reseat easily if I move the mask. I did get a small pressure sore right below my nose and that area also got sore/tender for a few days. I probably had the mask too tight.To avoid that I recommend using Bandaid or Curad Blister Strips. They are oval shapes in a couple sizes and are thick compared to a regular bandaid. There is no gauze patch on them so use them over intact skin (no recent sores) or they will pull freshly healed skin off. I have put a dot of the unpetrolatum over that tiny blistered area under my nose before applying the blister strip & that has worked to keep the strip from adhering to the just healed area. The usual way to use a blister strip is to put it over a new unbroken blister and leave it alone until healed. But I remove the strip every morning in the shower without problem. After a week on the Hybrid I have no more tenderness and the blister of night one is healed.
The angle of my neck/head is important in preventing leaks-more finicky about it than my former mask-however it is fortunately the position my chiropractor wants me to use for a cervical disc problem so now I'm trying a lot harder to get the neck thing right.

roster · Post by **roster** » Tue Aug 15, 2006 11:03 am

krousseau wrote:..............I do put a very thin smear of "unpetrolatum" (castor oil, beeswax, vit e + mix from health food store) around the rims of my nares. The unpetrolatum is to allow the pillows to reseat easily if I move the mask. ...............

Be very careful not to get unpneumonia.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Aug 15, 2006 11:15 am

krousseau-
what have you found out about the angle of your neck preventing leaks with the hybrid? Let me know.
I've found I get far fewer leaks while sleeping on my sides rather than my back and I need to shove the mask into the pillow.

Maryb

Maryb · Post by **Maryb** » Tue Aug 15, 2006 11:16 am

oops that was me.
I forgot to log in.

Maryb

krousseau · Post by **krousseau** » Tue Aug 15, 2006 11:31 am

Maryb-I find that while I sleep on my sides for short periods-I usually end up on my back. So I'm using a small diameter cervical pillow on top of my trusty down pillow. I tried the cervical pillow alone but found it uncomfortable. A rolled towel was too hard-then found the small cervical foam roll. My head tilts back just a little-I can tell when it is the right tilt because the mask sort of settles right into position and seals. Don't tilt back so far that your mouth starts to open.

Rooster-how is your jaw? If you haven't solved it here is my experience in case it helps. I overtighened my mask one night and woke up in about an hour with jaw pain-loosened it and pain went away within 15 minutes.

PS being very careful with that unpetrolatum-the tube should last me 50 years (actually I'll probably misplace it in about another week-hopefully by then I'll have found the first tube I bought....)

ladytonya · Post by **ladytonya** » Tue Aug 15, 2006 11:48 am

I had sore nares the first night but it went away after a few hours. Last night was number 4 with the hybrid and I haven't had any problems with sore nares or any spots being rubbed raw like with other masks. I have found that the Hybrid takes a lot of adjusting but once you find the right setting, it is wonderful! I'm just dreading washing it. I'll never get the nasal pillows re-seated correctly!

krousseau · Post by **krousseau** » Tue Aug 15, 2006 11:53 am

I have not found the pillow difficult to reseat in the mask-I did not have to cut the little connecting tab.

ladytonya · Post by **ladytonya** » Tue Aug 15, 2006 11:57 am

I haven't cut the connecting tab, either. I'm technically still "borrowing" the mask, although I am going to keep it. I just need to let the DME know that I am going to keep it so he can submit to my insurance. I don't think I'll cut it anyway because that little tab seems to help keep the pillows at the right angle to fit in my nares comfortably. I have tried the small and using the medium cushion and I have tried the medium and am currently using the large pillows. I may try the large cushion as the medium sits right at the edge of my mouth and kind of tickles my lips.

wolftracker · Post by **wolftracker** » Tue Aug 15, 2006 11:59 am

i have a very sore place where the lip and nose connect ...
and have been on the hybrid for almost 2 weeks

what is driving me the most crazy is the number are so
weird ... the only lower number is the ao everthing else is
way higher

krousseau · Post by **krousseau** » Tue Aug 15, 2006 12:17 pm

If it is an open sore use a dab of neosporin and a bandaid.
If it is a clean open sore (no infection) and you can get some Thin Duoderm. Cut it to the right size & it will help healing and relieve pressure. Leave it there until the edges loosen.
If there are no open areas use Bandaid Blister strips-come 6 in a box-leave on until edges are loose. Thick enough to relieve pressure. Also make sure your straps are not too tight.

Always follow package directions on any skin products & remember I don't know your allergies-so ignore or modify my advice per your individual needs.

wolftracker · Post by **wolftracker** » Tue Aug 15, 2006 1:02 pm

There are two types of sores ... ie pain were lip meets nose
and also a open sore caused by the connector between to
two pillows rubbing me raw ...

did use the neosporan and it is almost closed...
but the pain between nose and lip is still there

and numbers are still way weird

maskjkie · Post by **maskjkie** » Tue Aug 15, 2006 7:11 pm

wolftracker wrote:i have a very sore place where the lip and nose connect ...
and have been on the hybrid for almost 2 weeks

what is driving me the most crazy is the number are so
weird ... the only lower number is the ao everthing else is
way higher

Wolf,
You asked me to pm you but I can't because I have not registered (because my employment agreement with the sleep clinic company prohibits me from posting on forums).

Your AI is lower but everything else is higher, is that correct? What are the parameters you are tracking, what is your pressure range, 90% pressure etc?

wolftracker · Post by **wolftracker** » Wed Aug 16, 2006 6:57 am

if you can email me your email address ... ibelieve
you should be able to see it on the email link

i have a spreadsheet i can fowarded.

my pressure is up
my snores are thru the roof
my leak rate is showing up almost all black in encore
so very high leak rates

this is only my second mask ... and i like it ...
but why do i seem to bee the only one having
less then great numbers with the hybrid...

Hybrid plunge...Sore (Swift) nares, anyone?

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