What you say is quite correct. Unfortunately, mice are often not respectful of an electrician's careful work. They (the mice, not the electricians) will build nests wherever they can find the material and warmth to make them cozy and comfortable; the insulation of old wiring is just the ticket to many of them. The nests often have enough conductive material included that a short occurs.Goofproof wrote: If it's run right the wires will NEVER be installed so they can touch each other. if the insulation falls off, they should NEVER be positioned so they can touch.
Using my cpap machine in an ungrounded outlet?
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Re: Using my cpap machine in an ungrounded outlet?
Put in a shower surround this year wall was ruined, opened it up tube and knob wiring in wall, been there for at least 60 years, wiring still in good shape ten inches between wires at closest point, should be safe to over 100,000 volts, even more now that it's dry. My mice prefur cloth and rubber and tar, if they want to make nests our of copper, i'd be more concerned. Jim
I would be nice to live in a world where we could afford new houses and change them every couple of years, but some of us have to make due with what we can afford. It does require us to learn how to function in the real world. Jim
I would be nice to live in a world where we could afford new houses and change them every couple of years, but some of us have to make due with what we can afford. It does require us to learn how to function in the real world. Jim
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Re: Using my cpap machine in an ungrounded outlet?
If your CPAP has a two pronged plug, it can fit fine into a two pronged outlet. Since you didn't speak of it not fitting or needing an adapter, I can assume that this is the case.
Note that I did have an F&P-201 CPAP in 1999 and it did have a three-pronged plug. It was the only CPAP with an integrated humidifier on the market at that time.
While I don't think that you have a problem, if you're truly nervous about it, you could buy the item in my link below. That item can double as a travel adapter in most countries.
Link ===> http://www.trendtimes.com/all-in-one-un ... hgodrLAKYA
Note that I did have an F&P-201 CPAP in 1999 and it did have a three-pronged plug. It was the only CPAP with an integrated humidifier on the market at that time.
While I don't think that you have a problem, if you're truly nervous about it, you could buy the item in my link below. That item can double as a travel adapter in most countries.
Link ===> http://www.trendtimes.com/all-in-one-un ... hgodrLAKYA
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Old wiring is interesting.
Fiber-wrapped copper wires, wrapped around white ceramic insulators, resembling sewing spools.
Pairs of wires inside the walls, several inches apart.
When the vermin eat away the insulation, air remains.
Then you worry about water.
Fiber-wrapped copper wires, wrapped around white ceramic insulators, resembling sewing spools.
Pairs of wires inside the walls, several inches apart.
When the vermin eat away the insulation, air remains.
Then you worry about water.
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Then the water puts out the fire from the rat standing on one wire and chewing the other wire.chunkyfrog wrote:Old wiring is interesting.
Fiber-wrapped copper wires, wrapped around white ceramic insulators, resembling sewing spools.
Pairs of wires inside the walls, several inches apart.
When the vermin eat away the insulation, air remains.
Then you worry about water.
True Story, as a child about 1 to 2 years old, I was given my bath in the kitchen sink, when the water was turned on I would cry, this went on a few weeks. Come to find out water was running down the wall behind the sink, there was a power outlet under the sink, it got wet and power came out the spout, shocking me. Good Thing we old people were built tough. Jim
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Now I understand!Goofproof wrote:True Story, as a child about 1 to 2 years old, I was given my bath in the kitchen sink, when the water was turned on I would cry, this went on a few weeks. Come to find out water was running down the wall behind the sink, there was a power outlet under the sink, it got wet and power came out the spout, shocking me. Good Thing we old people were built tough. Jim
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I take that to be a dig at my mental state, you are just not disturbed because I got free ECT's before you.....hobbs wrote:Now I understand!Goofproof wrote:True Story, as a child about 1 to 2 years old, I was given my bath in the kitchen sink, when the water was turned on I would cry, this went on a few weeks. Come to find out water was running down the wall behind the sink, there was a power outlet under the sink, it got wet and power came out the spout, shocking me. Good Thing we old people were built tough. Jim
I'm a born to overcome, totaled two cars, not a scratch, electrocuted twice,both times blown 8 feet, once it knocked me out, maybe you remember those 4 way welder ad's in the popular mechanics, don't buy one.... Put lots of miles riding in the bed of pick-up trucks, never had a bike head coconut husk, never used a motorcycle hat, unless the law made me. My job required steel toe shoes and hard hat. no choice for that, federal. Spent 1.5 years loading and wiring explosives nightly, drove dump trucks hauling 150 ton of rock and dirt, backing up and dumping off a 90 foot cliff of loose rock. 25 years with no lost time accidents.
Basically rode hard and put away wet! Still kicking after two heart attacks, just not kicking high anymore. Jim
And people think treating Sleep Apnea is tough!
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Goofproof, you are an awesome, but picturesque, curmudgeon.
I salute you.
I salute you.
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I'm afraid Awesome, like Elvis, has left the building! Just setting on my Lilly Pad, watching the Sun set. Jimchunkyfrog wrote:Goofproof, you are an awesome, but picturesque, curmudgeon.
I salute you.
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...this is goofPROOF that . RTe .requires no color or italicizing.Goofproof wrote:Just setting on my Lilly Pad, watching the Sun set. Jim
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Do you watch the sun rise as well, Jim?
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The sun is always rising--somewhere. We only need to look up.
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While I love sun rises, sad to say I don't see them. Other than when I was young, most of them were seen while I was working 3rds, sunrise meant it was time to fire up a dozen haulage trucks, and line them up for the new day. One thing I really miss, they were parked on a rise, when a storm came in, if I had them ready to start, I'd climb up into the cab, (20 foot off the ground) and watch the storm roll in. From the hill I could see the lights from two cities, about 15 miles. Many lightning strikes, later while loading explosives, that was NOT a plus. Basically my truck had enough explosives to take the Federal Building in Oklahoma City. BTW, His bomb didn't take that building down without it being modified by our government to be destroyed. ANFO doesn't work that way.Grace~~~ wrote:...this is goofPROOF that . RTe .requires no color or italicizing.Goofproof wrote:Just setting on my Lilly Pad, watching the Sun set. Jim
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Do you watch the sun rise as well, Jim?
Did you see that UFO, I did. Jim
I go to bed at 3 A.M. and rise at Noon. Old Habits, took a set in my ways.
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Summer storms are wonderful when viewed at a distance off the deck, over barbecue and beer.
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And in my case safe from lightning, while the cab is high on a hill in the air, it acts as a Faraday Cage being on ten 3,000 lb rubber tires is a plus too. A tornado wouldn't be a worry unless a cow flew thru the cab. Jimchunkyfrog wrote:Summer storms are wonderful when viewed at a distance off the deck, over barbecue and beer.
Now, the explosive truck was a concern, they were supposed to monitor the lightning strikes on a computer, when the hits got with-in five miles out, they were suppose to come and remove us from the area (quarter mile), but in the intrest of keeping production high, they usually failed to remove us, it's not like moving the truck would help, it was the bomb. Jim
There was no-one to yell, Cleanup On Aisle 3! They would just saythey saw us climb into that UFO.
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