Cool Moist Air Need Info

Perchas wrote:I can only tell you, that hospitals of respiratory diseases in Europe are all on the slopes of high mountain about 1500 m or 5000 feet, there the average humidity is 35% and the temperature around 21 or 22 degrees ( F 68-69) in the summer evenings.

So wrong I should not be

translation: "I have no facts to back up my theory".

Such ornery people on this forum. I guess that comes from battling sleep/oxygen deprivation.

Like the OP, I also use the ResMed AirSense 10 with the built in humidifier section. I'm about 10 months in to my therapy, and I'm finally comfortable enough with it to use it all night without waking up because of it. Part of it was the uncomfortable feeling of warm air - it makes me feel like I can't get enough air.

They really put on the sales pitch for the heated tube. The first thing I did was turn that off, and now I simply use the SlimLine hose (it's also much lighter, which minimizes mask-tugging). But the air still felt warmer than ambient air.

So I ran the machine for an hour to see what was happening. As it turns out, the humidifier section has a heat element to warm the water tank, which of course increases the temperature of the air passing through it. So even with the heat turned off completely, the air is still "hot".

And no, I'm not bringing a refrigerator into my bedroom, so I started using ice made from distilled water. It was great during the summer, but kind of a hassle. I like this idea of simply putting the tank in a ziplok bag and in the freezer. I currently have two, and alternating them will make this incredibly easy. So thank you for the suggestion.

exiii wrote:I'm about 10 months in to my therapy, and I'm finally comfortable enough with it to use it all night without waking up because of it.

It shouldn't take that long. Are you keeping up with the data - AHI, leak?

exiii wrote:feel like I can't get enough air.

This is often an indication that the machine pressure is set too low.

exiii wrote:So I ran the machine for an hour to see what was happening. As it turns out, the humidifier section has a heat element to warm the water tank, which of course increases the temperature of the air passing through it.

This is very basic information.

You might do well to get involved in the forum, get an education and get help making sure your CPAP therapy is working well. No use to try to do it all on your own when there is good help here.

exiii wrote:Such ornery people on this forum. I guess that comes from battling sleep/oxygen deprivation.

Like the OP, I also use the ResMed AirSense 10 with the built in humidifier section. I'm about 10 months in to my therapy, and I'm finally comfortable enough with it to use it all night without waking up because of it. Part of it was the uncomfortable feeling of warm air - it makes me feel like I can't get enough air.

They really put on the sales pitch for the heated tube. The first thing I did was turn that off, and now I simply use the SlimLine hose (it's also much lighter, which minimizes mask-tugging). But the air still felt warmer than ambient air.

So I ran the machine for an hour to see what was happening. As it turns out, the humidifier section has a heat element to warm the water tank, which of course increases the temperature of the air passing through it. So even with the heat turned off completely, the air is still "hot".

And no, I'm not bringing a refrigerator into my bedroom, so I started using ice made from distilled water. It was great during the summer, but kind of a hassle. I like this idea of simply putting the tank in a ziplok bag and in the freezer. I currently have two, and alternating them will make this incredibly easy. So thank you for the suggestion.

There is nothing to heat or cool the air in the machine itself. If the humidifier is turned off the air coming into your mask is the same air that is filling your room...just filtered....By the way...if you find that we are too ornery, you are welcome to take your questions elsewhere. Nice way to start your first post.

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ChicagoGranny wrote:It shouldn't take that long. Are you keeping up with the data - AHI, leak?

My biggest problem was finding the right mask. I'm actually quite comfortable with things now.

ChicagoGranny wrote:This is often an indication that the machine pressure is set too low.

Bad explanation on my part. Sauna air is just not pleasant to breath.

LSAT wrote:There is nothing to heat or cool the air in the machine itself.

You are absolutely 100% wrong on this. On the Airsense 10, there is a very visible heating element right under the chamber and a heat conducting element within the chamber itself. If you're using any humidity at all, the water/air is being heated at least a little bit.

As ChicagoGranny said, "This is very basic information."

LSAT wrote:By the way...if you find that we are too ornery, you are welcome to take your questions elsewhere. Nice way to start your first post.

"You darned kids are ruinin' this trailer park!" BTW, I didn't post to ask a question. I posted to confirm to the OP that the mask air is not, in fact, the same temperature as ambient air; and to thank Perchas for his helpful suggestion, despite the hostility from some of the more encrusted members.

exiii wrote:

LSAT wrote:There is nothing to heat or cool the air in the machine itself.

You are absolutely 100% wrong on this. On the Airsense 10, there is a very visible heating element right under the chamber and a heat conducting element within the chamber itself. If you're using any humidity at all, the water/air is being heated at least a little bit.

As ChicagoGranny said, "This is very basic information."

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My post said...."If the humidity is turned off...." If you are going to quote, post the whole statement.

LSAT wrote:My post said...."If the humidity is turned off...." If you are going to quote, post the whole statement.

But the humidifier is not off, nor is this machine designed to provide humidity without heat. If it were, it would have a lot more surface area in the chamber, as the linked external chamber does. Your qualifier makes absolutely no sense. We're talking about "Cool Moist Air".

LSAT wrote:My post said...."If the humidity is turned off...." If you are going to quote, post the whole statement.

it is the way you wrote it this is your quote

LSAT wrote:There is nothing to heat or cool the air in the machine itself. If the humidifier is turned off the air coming into your mask is the same air that is filling your room...just filtered....

two entirely separate sentences which convey a diff meaning
but you did say

LSAT wrote:There is nothing to heat or cool the air in the machine itself.

even you must admit there is a heating element "in the machine itself"

poor grammar results in poor communication and misunderstandings
there is only one way around it
perhaps granny or froggy can help you with your English

Guest wrote:perhaps granny or froggy can help you with your English

In that case, he's on his own.