Panic at thought of CPAP.

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Re: Panic at thought of CPAP.

Post by palerider » Tue Mar 01, 2016 10:31 pm

dvejr wrote:Haters gotta hate. This board was a kinder place a few years ago.

I doubt very much this is a troll. I also am quite sure she is so emotionally disturbed that we can't help her. No need, however, for us to cheer her sure-to-come-soon departure from the board.
why not? she's come in here, shouted incoherently at us, told us that it's all a scam, and there's no way she's paying all that money so it's "a moot point"... all she's doing is wasting her time, and that of everyone who responds.

if it ISN'T a troll... then her time would be better spent elsewhere, where she can perhaps get the help that we can't give her.

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Re: Panic at thought of CPAP.

Post by Captain_Midnight » Tue Mar 01, 2016 11:11 pm

During my sleep study 10 years back, the technician woke me halfway through the night and put a mask on me.

Oh, my! There was no way that I would EVER get used to such a thing!

But, little-by-little, I adapted, and a month later, it was almost second nature. A month after that, I was uncomfortable without it.

One thing that helped me was keeping the mask as loosely fit as it would stay on and work. And, I would visualize the mask fitting as loose as (humorous metaphor re-considered).

As far as meds? If you can make it without them, you are better off in every way. I'm not a doc (and no one here is) so I don't give medical advice (and no one here should). That said, if needed as a last resort, your doc can help you there.

Some folks hereabouts have accustomed themselves to the masks by reading or watching t v with just the mask and headgear on. Definitely worth a try.

Best of luck in adapting to your sweet dream machine.

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Re: Panic at thought of CPAP.

Post by Lucyhere » Wed Mar 02, 2016 12:20 am

palerider wrote:
dvejr wrote:Haters gotta hate. This board was a kinder place a few years ago.

I doubt very much this is a troll. I also am quite sure she is so emotionally disturbed that we can't help her. No need, however, for us to cheer her sure-to-come-soon departure from the board.
why not? she's come in here, shouted incoherently at us, told us that it's all a scam, and there's no way she's paying all that money so it's "a moot point"... all she's doing is wasting her time, and that of everyone who responds.

if it ISN'T a troll... then her time would be better spent elsewhere, where she can perhaps get the help that we can't give her.

She ISN'T a troll. And to those of you who think she shouldn't waste her time here, why do you keep posting in this thread? If someone comes here with obvious issues and you have nothing to say that will help the situation, stay the hell out of the thread
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Re: Panic at thought of CPAP.

Post by 49er » Wed Mar 02, 2016 4:02 am

Lucyhere wrote:
palerider wrote:
dvejr wrote:Haters gotta hate. This board was a kinder place a few years ago.

I doubt very much this is a troll. I also am quite sure she is so emotionally disturbed that we can't help her. No need, however, for us to cheer her sure-to-come-soon departure from the board.
why not? she's come in here, shouted incoherently at us, told us that it's all a scam, and there's no way she's paying all that money so it's "a moot point"... all she's doing is wasting her time, and that of everyone who responds.

if it ISN'T a troll... then her time would be better spent elsewhere, where she can perhaps get the help that we can't give her.

She ISN'T a troll. And to those of you who think she shouldn't waste her time here, why do you keep posting in this thread? If someone comes here with obvious issues and you have nothing to say that will help the situation, stay the hell out of the thread
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Re: Panic at thought of CPAP.

Post by kteague » Wed Mar 02, 2016 5:01 am

To the OP, I have no delusion that you hearing of my struggles would make any difference to you, so I'll save my breath. Some really patient, understanding, and knowledgeable people have already invested heavily in trying to help you, to no avail. If the diagnosis of sleep apnea and its treatment is all a scam, then we're all clearly too stupid to see it and lacking your superior insight. No wonder you don't value the advice you've received here. You know next to nothing about this subject yet negate everyone's input. You have ALL the answers. I'm sorry you have anxieties and phobias about things touching your face - that is probably hell. You have my compassion on that. But that doesn't give you a free pass to be so negative and ugly about everything. Everybody on here has dealt with sh#t in life. And many of us have lived out some of the horrific effects sleep apnea can cause - yet you spout nonsense about not believing it's that serious. Do you realize how demeaning that comes across? I can only suggest you dial it back a few notches and practice listening without automatic naysaying. If you truly CAN'T dial it back - then maybe you should get some help before you self destruct. Your attitude is something we can't help you with, and you are self sabotaging your own well being with your unwavering negativity.

Ok, I've just taken my own advice by taking a step back and reconsidering my words. Deleted some of my reactionary stuff. It's not my intent to attack you, just to hopefully help you get unstuck, because you are stuck in a bad place. You don't have to stay there. You can continue to piss and moan. Or you can get copies of your reports and hopefully seeing the details in black & white will help you make peace with your diagnosis. You can get therapy to try and make peace with the mask. Then you can get on with your treatment and your life. It's really up to you.

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Re: Panic at thought of CPAP.

Post by 49er » Wed Mar 02, 2016 6:30 am

Snoopchic,

As one who is very cynical regarding the medical profession, I can assure you that the diagnosis of sleep apnea is not a scam. I wish to god it were because that means I could ditch my machine and forget about looking into alternative options which I am currently doing. Unfortunately, when I have a "narcoleptic" like sleep attack which causes me to fall asleep without the mask, my elevated heart rate and blood pressure remind me why I need to keep using the machine even though to be honest, I hate the machine. But I think I would hate the alternatives due to not using it alot worse.

You seemed to indicate having a stroke is no big deal. But as one who is experiencing cognitive issues without ever having experienced one that are life impacting, you might want to rethink that. I know you don't think apnea causes a stroke but that isn't what the research says.

Regarding alternative options, I am perplexed as to why you keep asking about them. Many people look into dental devices but since you don't like having anything touch your face, I didn't see that as an option for you. Let me know if I am wrong about that.

Finally, as one who dealt with denial regarding another medical issue that I am finally dealing with thanks to finding a practitioner I like, I think you need to really be honest about what you are experiencing as it can keep you from getting the necessary care you need.

Good luck to you.

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Re: Panic at thought of CPAP.

Post by robysue » Wed Mar 02, 2016 8:07 am

49er wrote:Snoopchic,
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Regarding alternative options, I am perplexed as to why you keep asking about them. Many people look into dental devices but since you don't like having anything touch your face, I didn't see that as an option for you. Let me know if I am wrong about that.
Snoopchic has said previously that she has a "small TMJ" guard that causes her to choke and gag when she uses it.

Given that history, she's not likely to find a much lager OSA guard that pulls the jaw out of alignment any easier to use than a CPAP.

Snoopchic's problem at this point is major denial, both about the seriousness of her OSA and the need to address the anxiety/fear of anything touching her face/nose/mouth. That severe anxiety/fear has to come from somewhere, and she's going to need professional help to address it---regardless of whether she continues to deny/ignore the untreated OSA for years.

Given that she's admitted to falling asleep at the wheel, I sure hope she quits driving until/unless she gets the OSA treated.

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Re: Panic at thought of CPAP.

Post by robysue » Wed Mar 02, 2016 8:37 am

Snoopchic wrote: I took a ton of things people said on here and researched and tried to practice it.
Practice requires time and repeated effort. You have tried CPAP once. That is not practice.

You also may be implying that you have tried to practice the many things that folks have suggested to bring the anxiety under control. Pardon my skepticism, but I seriously doubt that you have actually worked at making CBT for anxiety work. Because CBT requires real effort and real work and, above all, real patience.

Let's step back from the untreated OSA for a bit. I strongly suspect that the anxiety/phobia issues are seriously and negatively affecting your life. There is no magic answer to fixing those problems, but they can be addressed if you are willing to work hard for weeks and months. If you would get the kind of professional help you need to address the anxiety, then treating the OSA (at a later date) would not seem as "scary".
The device was sooooooo much worse than I even imagined, it was seriously like drowning, but, I am not here for a miricle, I just wanted support and options.
This is a CPAP support group. So we skew heavily towards CPAP and not all the other things that are sometimes done to "treat" OSA. As was suggested by someone else, apneaboard may be a better match for forum.

There are some other treatments for OSA, but here's the thing: None of them comes anywhere near as close to the effectiveness of CPAP and many of them are indeed border-line scams or outright scams.

It's possible to find a doc who's willing to do surgery to treat OSA. But be aware, the typical definition of "success" is to reduce the AHI by 50%. If your untreated OSA is severe, that means after "successful" surgery you may well still have OSA that is in the moderate range of 15-29 events per hour. And even with this rather loose definition of "success", only 50% of surgery patients have "successful" surgeries. And the surgery is highly invasive and painful. And even with the best of surgical outcomes, the OSA is likely to return in 5-10 years AND once the surgery is done, it can actually be harder to make CPAP work.

It's possible to find a doc/dentist to make a custom oral appliance to treat the OSA. For folks with no TMJ problems and with mild or mild-to-moderate OSA, this may actually treat the OSA effectively. But here again, "effective oral appliance therapy usually means a 50% reduction in AHI, and the appliance is far bulkier than the usual TMJ guard. And you say that your small TMJ guard makes you gag and choke. An OSA oral appliance attaches to both the top and bottom teeth and literally pulls the bottom jaw out of alignment (in an effort to make the airway larger). It can be painful. And it can aggravate TMJ issues quite a bit. And long term it can lead to dental problems.

Beyond CPA and those two alternatives to CPAP? Anything else that is sold to "fix OSA" is indeed a scam. And there are a lot of scams out there.
I read report after report that said how many people have anxiety, but I haven't found anything that helps.
We're working in the dark here: You have spent more time attacking suggestions I and others have made rather than giving us a thoughtful response along the lines of "I've tried <whatever>, but didn't find it effective in reducting my anxiety because <specific reasons>"
Again, though, it's a moot point because of the cost. Upfront and on going.
Your life. You and your husband have to decide whether your health is worth some $$$. If you don't spend the money now, you (or your daughter) will spend a lot more money later when your health deteriorates substantially in 10-20 years.

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Re: Panic at thought of CPAP.

Post by Susie Kay » Wed Mar 02, 2016 9:16 am

I don't like to see the time and effort of cpaptalk members squandered on a troll like this.

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Re: Panic at thought of CPAP.

Post by CPAPIST » Wed Mar 02, 2016 9:34 am

Susie Kay wrote:I don't like to see the time and effort of cpaptalk members squandered on a troll like this.
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Re: Panic at thought of CPAP.

Post by Gasper62 » Wed Mar 02, 2016 10:14 am

Susie Kay wrote:I don't like to see the time and effort of cpaptalk members squandered on a troll like this.
I'm guessin' that you mighta' missed the mother of all squanderings that was lavished on the troll, Enchanter. People were lined up for a city block for a chance to wet nurse him. It dragged on for months and thousands of posts. I really hope this go-around isn't similar, being that a lot of people in real need were short-changed due to the all consuming fascination w/Enchanter's defects and foibles.

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Re: Panic at thought of CPAP.

Post by Susie Kay » Wed Mar 02, 2016 10:54 am

Gasper62 wrote:
Susie Kay wrote:I don't like to see the time and effort of cpaptalk members squandered on a troll like this.
I'm guessin' that you mighta' missed the mother of all squanderings that was lavished on the troll, Enchanter. People were lined up for a city block for a chance to wet nurse him. It dragged on for months and thousands of posts. I really hope this go-around isn't similar, being that a lot of people in real need were short-changed due to the all consuming fascination w/Enchanter's defects and foibles.
Oh my!

I must have missed that one.

We also have to think there are many people that find this forum because they think they need a sleep study. Then they read a thread like this and are scared to make an appointment for a study.

How many "new" people that need help are scared off because of this one troll? Sad.

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Re: Panic at thought of CPAP.

Post by Christine L » Wed Mar 02, 2016 10:59 am

Susie Kay wrote:We also have to think there are many people that find this forum because they think they need a sleep study. Then they read a thread like this and are scared to make an appointment for a study.

How many "new" people that need help are scared off because of this one troll? Sad.
I never thought of it that way. This thread should be closed by the administrators!

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Re: Panic at thought of CPAP.

Post by nanwilson » Wed Mar 02, 2016 11:30 am

Lucyhere wrote:
palerider wrote:
dvejr wrote:Haters gotta hate. This board was a kinder place a few years ago.

I doubt very much this is a troll. I also am quite sure she is so emotionally disturbed that we can't help her. No need, however, for us to cheer her sure-to-come-soon departure from the board.
why not? she's come in here, shouted incoherently at us, told us that it's all a scam, and there's no way she's paying all that money so it's "a moot point"... all she's doing is wasting her time, and that of everyone who responds.

if it ISN'T a troll... then her time would be better spent elsewhere, where she can perhaps get the help that we can't give her.

She ISN'T a troll. And to those of you who think she shouldn't waste her time here, why do you keep posting in this thread? If someone comes here with obvious issues and you have nothing to say that will help the situation, stay the hell out of the thread




You KNOW she isn't a troll Lucy..........must be because shes YOU having fun again. The many faces of Lucy, Ems, etc. etc..................................................
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Re: Panic at thought of CPAP.

Post by Lucyhere » Wed Mar 02, 2016 12:22 pm

nanwilson wrote:She ISN'T a troll. And to those of you who think she shouldn't waste her time here, why do you keep posting in this thread? If someone comes here with obvious issues and you have nothing to say that will help the situation, stay the hell out of the thread




You KNOW she isn't a troll Lucy..........must be because shes YOU having fun again. The many faces of Lucy, Ems, etc. etc..................................................[/quote]





Nan... do yourself a favor and go back to bed before you keel over. Or, turn up your pressure, because it's obvious your machine isn't doin' it for ya. I don't give a s**t what you think............................................ (loooove all your dots), however, FWIW, I'm not the original poster.

You are another fire starter in this forum. If you have nothing positive to add to this thread, stay the hell out of it.
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