Newbie - considering AirSense 10 purchase - No WiFi ???

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Re: Newbie - considering AirSense 10 purchase - No WiFi ???

Post by BlackSpinner » Sat Dec 05, 2015 1:56 pm

Jay Aitchsee wrote:
You must remember, you are not the customer of ResMed. The DME is their customer. ResMed has little incentive make things easier for you unless it benefits their customer (the DME) and ultimately their own bottom line.
This - otherwise why are they still manufacturing machines that only show compliance and little else?

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Re: Newbie - considering AirSense 10 purchase - No WiFi ???

Post by chunkyfrog » Sat Dec 05, 2015 2:43 pm

Just make sure the machine says "Autoset" on it!
The Airsense 10 does have a stripped down model, the "CPAP". Avoid it at all costs.

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Re: Newbie - considering AirSense 10 purchase - No WiFi ???

Post by radeohedca » Sat Dec 05, 2015 2:54 pm

Jay Aitchsee wrote:
radeohedca wrote:I cannot think of a good reason why they don't incorporate WiFi to let you do this wirelessly. It would add very little to the cost (<$5) and in fact could be a more cost effective way FOR THEM to access your data instead of using the cell network. Having both methods would be beneficial for people like me and for those who don't have home internet but DO want to be connected to the existing system.
Obviously the technology exists. I think the primary reason it is not available from the manufacturer to the patient is this "dispense on the order of physician" business that overshadows the entire DME industry here in the U.S. I think ResMed and others are simply covering their butts. My gawd, what if they blatantly allowed the patient to access information that would allow self treatment? Gasp!!

You must remember, you are not the customer of ResMed. The DME is their customer. ResMed has little incentive make things easier for you unless it benefits their customer (the DME) and ultimately their own bottom line.
Can't a person view their data by reading it off the SD Card using their computer (and appropriate software) ?

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Re: Newbie - considering AirSense 10 purchase - No WiFi ???

Post by OkyDoky » Sat Dec 05, 2015 3:03 pm

radeohedca wrote:
Jay Aitchsee wrote:
radeohedca wrote:I cannot think of a good reason why they don't incorporate WiFi to let you do this wirelessly. It would add very little to the cost (<$5) and in fact could be a more cost effective way FOR THEM to access your data instead of using the cell network. Having both methods would be beneficial for people like me and for those who don't have home internet but DO want to be connected to the existing system.
Obviously the technology exists. I think the primary reason it is not available from the manufacturer to the patient is this "dispense on the order of physician" business that overshadows the entire DME industry here in the U.S. I think ResMed and others are simply covering their butts. My gawd, what if they blatantly allowed the patient to access information that would allow self treatment? Gasp!!

You must remember, you are not the customer of ResMed. The DME is their customer. ResMed has little incentive make things easier for you unless it benefits their customer (the DME) and ultimately their own bottom line.
Can't a person view their data by reading it off the SD Card using their computer (and appropriate software) ?
Yes. But that software is not provided by the Manufacture to the individual user. It's only through the help of other users that we are able to see the data.
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Re: Newbie - considering AirSense 10 purchase - No WiFi ???

Post by Jay Aitchsee » Sat Dec 05, 2015 3:05 pm

radeohedca wrote:Can't a person view their data by reading it off the SD Card using their computer (and appropriate software) ?
You can, but not in any way sanctioned by the manufacturer. ResMed doesn't make the software (ResScan) directly available to the patient. In theory, the only people who have access to "approved" software are healthcare professionals.
SleepyHead which many of us use was developed by an individual, our member jedimark, and carries the disclaimer " has not been approved in any way for compliance or medical diagnostic purposes" It is not "official" software. It is not sanctioned by any manufacturer and many healthcare professionals either are not familiar with it and/or dismiss it. Though, it indeed provides all the information the "official" software does in a more user friendly fashion.

From the ResMed ResScan software download site: https://www.resmed.com/us/en/healthcare ... sscan.html
Caution: Federal law restricts this device to sale by or on the order of a physician

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Re: Newbie - considering AirSense 10 purchase - No WiFi ???

Post by archangle » Sat Dec 05, 2015 3:21 pm

Pugsy wrote:As for the cost...we assume that ResMed is picking up the tab on that one and then it of course gets passed down the chain in terms of equipment costs. We pay for it in the end but it's with the price of the equipment and not a special/separate bill.
I believe you are correct that the patient doesn't get a separate bill. As best as I can tell, the idea is the the DME or insurance pays a monthly fee for the data collection through the cell phone modem.

The biggest drawback I see of this is that once you've paid for the machine, if you quit using the DME, your data access will stop.

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Re: Newbie - considering AirSense 10 purchase - No WiFi ???

Post by Wulfman... » Sat Dec 05, 2015 4:04 pm

radeohedca wrote:I'm a newbie diagnosed with APNEA, looking to buy my first CPAP machine.
Doing all the research I can, I'm leaning towards the ResMed AirSense 10 Autoset. The show stopper for this model is the need to pull the SD card out and plug it into my computer to access the data. To do this daily or even weekly, that's a PITA and a lot of wear and tear on the connectors and card. I would have thought that they'd have built WiFi in being such a newer model. As I understand it, you can set it up to report to a server via cell network and have them email your report to you but I'm not keen on the big brother side of that so I'd probably set it to airplane mode. Also, is there no associated cell provider cost ? How does that work ?

What would be the next best machine that does have WiFi ?

I'm located near Toronto, Canada. Are there any localized forums where I can deal with people in my area in regard to supplies ?

Thanks !
This one has Bluetooth. Not WiFi but a wireless technology.

https://www.cpap.com/productpage/pr-sys ... tooth.html


Personally, I wouldn't want any of that stuff. I spent most of my working life with computers and "technology" and have had my fill of it. It changes too often and becomes obsolete in a heartbeat......and it can keep your bank account perpetually empty.


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Re: Newbie - considering AirSense 10 purchase - No WiFi ???

Post by IDontSnoreISwear » Sat Dec 05, 2015 5:45 pm

radeohedca wrote:I'm a newbie diagnosed with APNEA, looking to buy my first CPAP machine.
Doing all the research I can, I'm leaning towards the ResMed AirSense 10 Autoset. The show stopper for this model is the need to pull the SD card out and plug it into my computer to access the data. To do this daily or even weekly, that's a PITA and a lot of wear and tear on the connectors and card. I would have thought that they'd have built WiFi in being such a newer model. As I understand it, you can set it up to report to a server via cell network and have them email your report to you but I'm not keen on the big brother side of that so I'd probably set it to airplane mode. Also, is there no associated cell provider cost ? How does that work ?

What would be the next best machine that does have WiFi ?

I'm located near Toronto, Canada. Are there any localized forums where I can deal with people in my area in regard to supplies ?

Thanks !
Just got my AirSense 10, and it gives you some basic data every morning including AHI, mask fit, and hours used. Are you sure you need to go into more detail than that on a daily basis? If you pull the card and download your data weekly you'll save wear and tear on the hardware and you'll still be able to see any trends in your numbers.


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Re: Newbie - considering AirSense 10 purchase - No WiFi ???

Post by IDontSnoreISwear » Sat Dec 05, 2015 5:47 pm

Wulfman... wrote:This one has Bluetooth. Not WiFi but a wireless technology.

https://www.cpap.com/productpage/pr-sys ... tooth.html


Personally, I wouldn't want any of that stuff. I spent most of my working life with computers and "technology" and have had my fill of it. It changes too often and becomes obsolete in a heartbeat......and it can keep your bank account perpetually empty.


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Re: Newbie - considering AirSense 10 purchase - No WiFi ???

Post by highstick » Sat Dec 05, 2015 8:03 pm

Why do you need to "read all of that detail"? MyAir was mentioned and gives me everything I need, "usage time, leakage, average events/hour, times that the mask was removed, and a composite score"...If my Doc needs that other info, I take the machine and he reads the card.

Dang, I'm a CPA, but I'm not "that anal"!

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Re: Newbie - considering AirSense 10 purchase - No WiFi ???

Post by Goofproof » Sun Dec 06, 2015 9:59 pm

radeohedca wrote:
LSAT wrote: There is no reason for THEM (Mfg) to want or need my data....The only thing I want the DME to see is for compliance. Here in the US we have health privacy laws.
I don't like it as well but my guess is that they collect data for their own research. Hopefully it doesn't go beyond them although we're in the age where everyone is so willing to trade their valuable personal information for goods or services ("trinkets" IMHO), so companies have come to unquestionably expect it from you, i.e. "Let us access your CPAP machine records and we'll e-mail you the results". No thanks... I'll use mine in airplane mode.
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