Airing - "maskless, hoseless, cordless micro-CPAP device"

Correction:

I found the patent application for the Micro Pumps. It is 61945973. I still contend that it is not possible to power something requiring that amount of energy for a whole night using a battery that would have to be the size of a watch battery. Guaranteed if it ever releases, and actually works, there will be a cord.

Is this is a "real" product, having a real working model or just a little shell with an idea behind it. Also if Provent works (some people think it does) maybe it would work without any power.

jonny515 wrote:Is this is a "real" product, having a real working model or just a little shell with an idea behind it. Also if Provent works (some people think it does) maybe it would work without any power.

It's just a shell with an idea.
Granted a cool idea and maybe someday something like this will be available for real.

About the Provent things...I tried them once. It's not particularly comfortable breathing (exhaling) against the pressure and getting the damn things stuck on the nostrils correctly was a big PITA as I messed up 4 pairs before I got it right only to find out that exhaling was extremely uncomfortable and no way I could sleep that way.
If my OSA was on the very mild side I might have tried a little harder to make Provent work but for me a 50% reduction still would have left me with way too many apnea events happening.

jonny515 wrote:Is this is a "real" product, having a real working model or just a little shell with an idea behind it. Also if Provent works (some people think it does) maybe it would work without any power.

if you look really close at the little videos they have showing it off, you can see that it's completely empty inside... just like their claims.

The claims are absurd. Even if the technology existed and could be put together into something resembling the concept, it would still have to be submitted to FDA for certification as a Class II medical device. That alone would take longer than the developer's time frame to deliver devices to donors. Most crowd funding schemes are a fraud. Are you still waiting for the Solar Highway?

Sad to say, but sometimes crowd-sourcing just turns out to be crowd-scamming.

Interesting, I'm already seeing Airing Complaints on some consumer sites.

Kenneth Silver Sep 19, 2015 #1036165 Port Coquitlam, British Columbia

I am going through a similar issue with Indiegogo with the Airing/CPAP campaign. Indiegogo tell me to contact the Airing/CPAP campaign directly to get a refund of my donations. I have done that numerous time with no response. Now, it seems, Indiegogo washes their hands of the issue & seems unaccountable for my lost moneys - I am totally pissed off with Indiegogo & have submitted a complaint to BBB, which I don't expect to see positive results. Only alternative is to join or begin a class action suit against either Indiegogo or Airing/CPAP or both.

As more people catch on to the fact they won't get anything back, more complaints will be filed, and go nowhere. The owner of Indigogo makes a fortune taking his cut of the fraudulent campaigns and makes no effort to pull them. KickStarter at least has stopped a number of frauds, but that is why Airing is on Indigogo. Get a load of this: http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/228080/ ... s-ferrari/

Never say never .... when I was a kid .. Dick Tracy had a wrist radio......

Sleeprider wrote:Interesting, I'm already seeing Airing Complaints on some consumer sites.

Kenneth Silver Sep 19, 2015 #1036165 Port Coquitlam, British Columbia

I am going through a similar issue with Indiegogo with the Airing/CPAP campaign. Indiegogo tell me to contact the Airing/CPAP campaign directly to get a refund of my donations. I have done that numerous time with no response. Now, it seems, Indiegogo washes their hands of the issue & seems unaccountable for my lost moneys - I am totally pissed off with Indiegogo & have submitted a complaint to BBB, which I don't expect to see positive results. Only alternative is to join or begin a class action suit against either Indiegogo or Airing/CPAP or both.

As more people catch on to the fact they won't get anything back, more complaints will be filed, and go nowhere. The owner of Indigogo makes a fortune taking his cut of the fraudulent campaigns and makes no effort to pull them. KickStarter at least has stopped a number of frauds, but that is why Airing is on Indigogo. Get a load of this: http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/228080/ ... s-ferrari/

I can't see why they would even want the money back, anyone dumb enough to give them money in the first place, have no use for money in the first place. They got a cheap lesson in the real world, maybe some of them will learn how it works. Not all of them however.

grayghost4 wrote:Never say never .... when I was a kid .. Dick Tracy had a wrist radio......

I don't think anyone is saying "never". If this thing had legs and value, then it would be funded by people with a financial interest in bringing it to market. The simple fact is that, no one in the financial or medical business community is anywhere to be seen with this.

I'd say that it would be reasonable to try and get the size of units down more. For instance the Transcend model, while small, doesn't yet have a very small (workable) humidifier so that you can place the whole thing in your hand. Now run such a model with less of a huge size power source. First things first.

Actually, unless this guy has a new kind of power source to go with his micro-pumps (for which he has never even shown a demonstration), the calculations prove out that it is absolutely impossible. It doesn't take a lot to work out the power required to move 8 lpm (my average tidal volume) at 9 cmH20 for 8 hours, and the 100% efficiency number work out to a battery that is bigger than the device.

Anti-matter.

WindCpap wrote:Actually, unless this guy has a new kind of power source to go with his micro-pumps (for which he has never even shown a demonstration), the calculations prove out that it is absolutely impossible. It doesn't take a lot to work out the power required to move 8 lpm (my average tidal volume) at 9 cmH20 for 8 hours, and the 100% efficiency number work out to a battery that is bigger than the device.

jonny515 wrote:Anti-matter.

I heard it was micro fusion reactors, the antimatter wasn't going to be ready in time.

Just use nanobots to expand the weak areas of the airways so they don't cause a restriction, your lungs still provide the air flow, no need to power a pump.

They could have a magnet component that would imbed in your tissue and could be positioned to open the airway, by splinting it. Jim