do you have faith in Homeopathy?

This is a very funny thread.

I have never heard the term Big Pharma. But I am a cancer survivor who was once near death and those drug companies saved my life. I'm in remission for seventeen years now and forever grateful.

As far as alternative treatments, I will tell my friends in certain terms to stay away from them and use your doctors. Also, don't be afraid to switch doctors or to get a second opinion and then go back to your first doctor if you so choose.

Yes, I think Granny is having fun with some of you who are too immature to "igggnore".

This is a good forum.

I just googled Big Pharma and near the top came Conspiracy Theory.

Some interesting thoughts:

According to the Big Pharma conspiracy theory the medical establishment in general, and pharmaceutical companies in particular, operate for sinister purposes and against the public good.

- Wikipedia

This essay outlines the broad themes of the conspiracy theory that pharmaceutical companies, regulators, politicians, and others are secretly working in consort against the public interest. This so-called Big Pharma conspiracy theory shares a number of features with other conspiracy narratives, but some features make this particular subgenre of conspiracy theory especially intractable and dangerous.
Keywords: Conspiracy theory, Pharmaceutical companies, Paranoia, Vaccines

http://www.maneyonline.com/doi/abs/10.1 ... alCode=mew

I think some people get their jollies by ranting about conspiracies on the internet. lol

Another perspective for you to consider:

http://ethicalnag.org/2012/09/30/clinic ... s-results/

By the way, that doesn't mean I am against drugs but there is no doubt in my mind that the research is extremely flawed on the effectiveness and that is why the big pharma conspiracy theories pop up on the internet.

Susie Kay wrote:I just googled Big Pharma and near the top came Conspiracy Theory.

Some interesting thoughts:

According to the Big Pharma conspiracy theory the medical establishment in general, and pharmaceutical companies in particular, operate for sinister purposes and against the public good.

- Wikipedia

This essay outlines the broad themes of the conspiracy theory that pharmaceutical companies, regulators, politicians, and others are secretly working in consort against the public interest. This so-called Big Pharma conspiracy theory shares a number of features with other conspiracy narratives, but some features make this particular subgenre of conspiracy theory especially intractable and dangerous.
Keywords: Conspiracy theory, Pharmaceutical companies, Paranoia, Vaccines

http://www.maneyonline.com/doi/abs/10.1 ... alCode=mew

I think some people get their jollies by ranting about conspiracies on the internet. lol

Susie Kay wrote:This is a very funny thread.

I have never heard the term Big Pharma. But I am a cancer survivor who was once near death and those drug companies saved my life. I'm in remission for seventeen years now and forever grateful.

As far as alternative treatments, I will tell my friends in certain terms to stay away from them and use your doctors. Also, don't be afraid to switch doctors or to get a second opinion and then go back to your first doctor if you so choose.

Yes, I think Granny is having fun with some of you who are too immature to "igggnore".

This is a good forum.

Again, what are you talking about when you mention alternative treatments being bad? If you mean something like chelation therapy, yeah, I would definitely stay away from it. I would also stay away from alternative practitioners who prescribe so many supplements that it really isn't any different than taking a med cocktail.
But if someone is trying acupuncture for pain after going to physicians who do nothing but prescribe useless drugs, I see nothing wrong with that.

49er

49er wrote:Another perspective for you to consider:

Sorry 49er, I won't read it because I don't do conspiracy theories. Instead I look at my friends' experiences. Being a cancer survivor and having some leftover problems, I have a lot of friends talk to me about what they went through. Yep, doctors make mistakes but all that I have heard is that doctors want to treat their patients well and see them healed in a timely manner.

People take things and blow them up into a conspiracy. My hubbie has a health problem and the doctor told him at the beginning that there would be experimentation with drugs to find something that helped him. He said everyone reacts differently and that is why they need to experiment.

The first drug that he gave hubbie caused side effects and after some months he went back to the doctor. The doctor prescribed another drug and bingo! - very mild side effects and very effective treatment!

Now you could say the doctor prescribed the first drug because he was being paid off by Big Pharma and some will say that. I say baloney.

Now counter me and argue all you want to, I am not going to believe you and I am not going to get sucked into posting over and over.

I can see how Granny gets aggravated with what goes on here. I think she needs a break from sitting at the computer.

Goodbye!

Suzie Kay,

I know you have bowed out of this thread and that is fine. But for others reading this thread, I wanted to clarify some things in case there are misunderstandings.

I am leery of meds in general but I definitely understand they can be lifesaving no matter how tainted the research on effectiveness may be. And speaking of cancer, I know someone in a similar situation to yours who owes her life to meds. So I get where you are coming from even if you don't think I do.

And as one who may have a very frustrating circadian rhythm problem that I have desperately tried to resolve to no avail, if there was a med available that reset my sleep cycle, I would take it in a heartbeat even if a doctor was paid off. . All jokes aside, I really would if one existed.

At the same time, my point of view has become jaded regarding meds due to feeling like I wasted several years of my life on psych meds which I have discussed previously. I know I can't use my experience to generalize everything but it has made me quite leery of taking anything without extensive research to make sure it really is effective and is the best option. If you want to call that being a conspiracy theorist, that is your choice but obviously I disagree.

I wish you well and much continued success with your treatment.

49er

Susie Kay wrote:

49er wrote:Another perspective for you to consider:

Sorry 49er, I won't read it because I don't do conspiracy theories. Instead I look at my friends' experiences. Being a cancer survivor and having some leftover problems, I have a lot of friends talk to me about what they went through. Yep, doctors make mistakes but all that I have heard is that doctors want to treat their patients well and see them healed in a timely manner.

People take things and blow them up into a conspiracy. My hubbie has a health problem and the doctor told him at the beginning that there would be experimentation with drugs to find something that helped him. He said everyone reacts differently and that is why they need to experiment.

The first drug that he gave hubbie caused side effects and after some months he went back to the doctor. The doctor prescribed another drug and bingo! - very mild side effects and very effective treatment!

Now you could say the doctor prescribed the first drug because he was being paid off by Big Pharma and some will say that. I say baloney.

Now counter me and argue all you want to, I am not going to believe you and I am not going to get sucked into posting over and over.

I can see how Granny gets aggravated with what goes on here. I think she needs a break from sitting at the computer.

Goodbye!

49er wrote:Suzie Kay,

I know you have bowed out of this thread and that is fine. But for others reading this thread, I wanted to clarify some things in case there are misunderstandings.

I am leery of meds in general but I definitely understand they can be lifesaving no matter how tainted the research on effectiveness may be. And speaking of cancer, I know someone in a similar situation to yours who owes her life to meds. So I get where you are coming from even if you don't think I do.

And as one who may have a very frustrating circadian rhythm problem that I have desperately tried to resolve to no avail, if there was a med available that reset my sleep cycle, I would take it in a heartbeat even if a doctor was paid off. . All jokes aside, I really would if one existed.

At the same time, my point of view has become jaded regarding meds due to feeling like I wasted several years of my life on psych meds which I have discussed previously. I know I can't use my experience to generalize everything but it has made me quite leery of taking anything without extensive research to make sure it really is effective and is the best option. If you want to call that being a conspiracy theorist, that is your choice but obviously I disagree.

I wish you well and much continued success with your treatment.

49er

Susie Kay wrote:

49er wrote:Another perspective for you to consider:

Sorry 49er, I won't read it because I don't do conspiracy theories. Instead I look at my friends' experiences. Being a cancer survivor and having some leftover problems, I have a lot of friends talk to me about what they went through. Yep, doctors make mistakes but all that I have heard is that doctors want to treat their patients well and see them healed in a timely manner.

People take things and blow them up into a conspiracy. My hubbie has a health problem and the doctor told him at the beginning that there would be experimentation with drugs to find something that helped him. He said everyone reacts differently and that is why they need to experiment.

The first drug that he gave hubbie caused side effects and after some months he went back to the doctor. The doctor prescribed another drug and bingo! - very mild side effects and very effective treatment!

Now you could say the doctor prescribed the first drug because he was being paid off by Big Pharma and some will say that. I say baloney.

Now counter me and argue all you want to, I am not going to believe you and I am not going to get sucked into posting over and over.

I can see how Granny gets aggravated with what goes on here. I think she needs a break from sitting at the computer.

Goodbye!

I echo your sentiments, 49er. And appreciate you being able to state your position so clearly. My mom also owes her life to meds after she was diagnosed for breast cancer. We are certainly grateful that she's still around and spunky as ever!

I agree with 49er that there is a level of frustration that some people develop when they've been on psych meds. It's challenging living in a society where we are told to "snap out of it", or are perceived as being weak when we struggle in a way that someone without mental health challenges may not. It's a travesty that the drugs that are available don't often don't work or produce side effects that are worse than the issues you're taking them for. Unless you've been on the psych merry go round and treated as a head case by your psychiatrist, you may not understand what the fuss is about medications and Big Pharma. And quite frankly, I hope most of you here haven't been on the psych merry go round, because it is not a fun ride....

ems wrote:When people of a certain age are as angry and hostile as she is, some would say that dementia has set in. In reading this thread, I'm sure of it. Oh... I'm fairly certain she and I are close in age.

Well, if that isn't a case of the pot calling the kettle 'black', I don't know what is!

Guest wrote:

ems wrote:When people of a certain age are as angry and hostile as she is, some would say that dementia has set in. In reading this thread, I'm sure of it. Oh... I'm fairly certain she and I are close in age.

Well, if that isn't a case of the pot calling the kettle 'black', I don't know what is!

That's it? That's all you have to say? I'm not a pot and Granny isn't black. However, I do get your point. I also get mine.

ems wrote:Granny isn't black

How do you know?

Guest wrote:Well, if that isn't a case of the pot calling the kettle 'black', I don't know what is!

I wonder if that is Archangle? He's been know to log off to take an anonymous slap at members.

Susie Kay wrote:I just googled Big Pharma and near the top came Conspiracy Theory.

Some interesting thoughts:

According to the Big Pharma conspiracy theory the medical establishment in general, and pharmaceutical companies in particular, operate for sinister purposes and against the public good.

- Wikipedia

This essay outlines the broad themes of the conspiracy theory that pharmaceutical companies, regulators, politicians, and others are secretly working in consort against the public interest. This so-called Big Pharma conspiracy theory shares a number of features with other conspiracy narratives, but some features make this particular subgenre of conspiracy theory especially intractable and dangerous.
Keywords: Conspiracy theory, Pharmaceutical companies, Paranoia, Vaccines

http://www.maneyonline.com/doi/abs/10.1 ... alCode=mew

I think some people get their jollies by ranting about conspiracies on the internet. lol

Susie... First of all, conspiracies theories are discussed in the real world all the time. I agree that many of the theories out there are a bit much and tiring. However, diseases that still exist today could easily have been eradicated had big pharma/insurance companies not been fearful of losing billions. That's not a "theory", it's a fact. Actually, I've found that people are hesitant to give voice to this because they know they can't do one thing about it.. except to rant. I've also wondered if doctors practice medicine with that same knowledge lurking in the background.

ChicagoGranny wrote:

ems wrote:Granny isn't black

How do you know?


*I don't. But, look at your avatar.

Guest wrote:Well, if that isn't a case of the pot calling the kettle 'black', I don't know what is!

I wonder if that is Archangle? He's been know to log off to take an anonymous slap at members.

*Could be... but I can think of others who would do the same.

Speaking of homeopathy.....

https://youtu.be/cVV3QQ3wjC8

archangle wrote:

ChicagoGranny wrote:Every post that uses "Big Pharma" as a pejorative, I try to totally ignore.

As for just one example, I am old enough to have many friends who are living and thriving today only because "Big Pharma" spent huge amounts of money to research and develop novel chemotherapy treatments for cancer.

Actually, I think much of Big Pharma needs to be drug with a chain behind a pickup truck. We also need to make major changes in how the industry is run. The "good old days" of big pharma actually working for the public good are gone. Some is big pharma's fault, much is the government's fault.

They've stopped doing most research into antibiotics and the old antibiotics are failing, in part due to big pharma marketing the antibiotics to farmers to make faster weight gain. They're putting most of their research into minor tweaks into existing drugs such as Nexium, which is a minor change to Prilosec, but gets new patent protection. They're patenting things like putting two drugs into one pill, when you could easily just take two pills. Then there are overpriced "new" drugs that are very little better than the old drug, but cost a lot more due to patents. Then they quit manufacturing the cheap drug.

However, the evil of big pharma doesn't mean alternative medicine works. It means we're not getting all we can out of the real medicine, and we're getting shafted by big pharma.

Well...From what I have determined by your posts is that You don't like "big pharma"...you hate doctors....you dislike DMEs.....and I think you have ranted against government too.

LSAT wrote:

archangle wrote:

ChicagoGranny wrote:Every post that uses "Big Pharma" as a pejorative, I try to totally ignore.

As for just one example, I am old enough to have many friends who are living and thriving today only because "Big Pharma" spent huge amounts of money to research and develop novel chemotherapy treatments for cancer.

Actually, I think much of Big Pharma needs to be drug with a chain behind a pickup truck. We also need to make major changes in how the industry is run. The "good old days" of big pharma actually working for the public good are gone. Some is big pharma's fault, much is the government's fault.

They've stopped doing most research into antibiotics and the old antibiotics are failing, in part due to big pharma marketing the antibiotics to farmers to make faster weight gain. They're putting most of their research into minor tweaks into existing drugs such as Nexium, which is a minor change to Prilosec, but gets new patent protection. They're patenting things like putting two drugs into one pill, when you could easily just take two pills. Then there are overpriced "new" drugs that are very little better than the old drug, but cost a lot more due to patents. Then they quit manufacturing the cheap drug.

However, the evil of big pharma doesn't mean alternative medicine works. It means we're not getting all we can out of the real medicine, and we're getting shafted by big pharma.

Well...From what I have determined by your posts is that You don't like "big pharma"...you hate doctors....you dislike DMEs.....and I think you have ranted against government too.

I'm shocked, archangle! Is it possible that we actually *agree* on something? Worlds colliding...mind blown. I have a different beef with Big Pharma. But a beef, nonetheless. While I agree that psych meds have come a long way, the side effects are still intolerable. The mechanism of action is still largely unknown, meaning that people have to try several different drugs to find one that works. And what works for one person will knock another person off their keester. There's a reason that the term "Prozac Poop-Out" exists. I'd like to see pharmaceutical companies improve their knowledge of the existing drugs and find a way to improve their efficacy. From what I know, tricyclics are as effective, but they have far more side effects. So there has been progress. But I hope they'll consider doing more research to find out why these drugs poop out and how to make adjustments that benefit us. Encouraging people to add in a new pill (Abilify) when their med poops out seems like another way for them to make more money without addressing the underlying causes of why these drugs lose their efficacy over time. And for the record, archangle, I do not support homeopathy or any other form of quackery. I would just like to see improvements within the existing system. Same as you, I suspect.