General Discussion on any topic relating to CPAP and/or Sleep Apnea.
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palerider
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by palerider » Thu Feb 19, 2015 5:01 pm
Pugsy wrote:Right now the main thing I would be concerned about is the leaks. Fix them or get them under better control and see what happens.
They need to be fixed anyway. I am not a perfectionist when it comes to the leak line and will let a little bit of ugly slide but yours is way more than a little bit unless this report is just a really bad fluke.
I was going to say the same about the leaks, it looks like the leaks are so bad, the machine isn't increasing pressure to deal with the hypos.
Suenyo, have you read
https://maskarrayed.wordpress.com/tamin ... e-quattro/ ? even if that's not the FFM you're using, many of the tips are applicable. also, investigate mask liners, and make sure that you have the right size mask, download a sizing template for it, people OFTEN wind up with the wrong size FFM, and that makes getting a good seal nearly impossible.
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Suenyo
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by Suenyo » Thu Feb 19, 2015 9:16 pm
Thanks PR,
I have read the blog. It's called Taming the Quattro and it is very helpful. But it was written by a guy who does not have chin hair I think. I have to run the bottom a bit tighter to compress the beard. The top seals fine and I can feel it move away as it inflates. He says the forehead standoff dial is not necessary, but I think it is the best feature. It really stabilizes the mask and prevents it from being tightened down too much at the top. I really have no idea where the leaks are. I woke up in exactly the same position I went to sleep in and I didn't feel any leaks at any time, but there they are on the graph. My only idea is to shave. I guess I'll have to try that. Oh and I do use a liner (homemade).
As to size, I'm sure of the fit. I had doubts, but I asked my pharmacist guy if he had a medium mask I could try and he actually gave me the full medium with headgear. I used it one night but it was obviously too small and leaked like hell.
So hello razor!
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Jay Aitchsee
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by Jay Aitchsee » Fri Feb 20, 2015 3:31 pm
Suenyo, I don't know if this is true in your case, I am not bearded, but when I've tried to use mask liners they have actually increased the leak rate. I found that liners would quiet noises made by leaks but not prevent them. Each time I've tried to use liners with various full faced masks the resultant leak rates were greater than that recommend by ResMed for effective treatment.
It is my opinion that liners can not prevent leaks. They are made of soft porous material, so I don't see how they could. I believe they can quiet the squeals of leaks and perhaps make the interface more comfortable against the skin and, therefore, could be useful, but I don't think they actually prevent leaking. You might try going without the liner and see what happens.
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palerider
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by palerider » Fri Feb 20, 2015 3:48 pm
Jay Aitchsee wrote:Suenyo, I don't know if this is true in your case, I am not bearded, but when I've tried to use mask liners they have actually increased the leak rate. I found that liners would quiet noises made by leaks but not prevent them. Each time I've tried to use liners with various full faced masks the resultant leak rates were greater than that recommend by ResMed for effective treatment.
It is my opinion that liners can not prevent leaks.
my experience is that the liners don't prevent most leaks, and increase the base leak some.... what they can help prevent is when my face would get more oily, or sweaty during the night, and then the mask would slip and break seal, and then squeal and brrrraaapp with big leaks... the mask liners do prevent (for me) those kind of leaks.... and make the other leaks less disturbing.
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by Sir NoddinOff » Fri Feb 20, 2015 4:50 pm
I fought the good fight for facial hair for years but in the final analysis good sleep trumps good looks (or facial hair). I'm clean shaven now and haven't looked back once. Hey, but that's just me.
I like my ResMed AirFit F10 FFM - reasonably low leaks for my ASV therapy. I'm currently using a PR S1 AutoSV 960P Advanced. I also keep a ResMed S9 Adapt as backup. I use a heated Hibernite hose. Still rockin' with Win 7 by using GWX to stop Win 10.
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Suenyo
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by Suenyo » Sat Feb 21, 2015 11:29 pm
Well, I shaved. And had some success with the new Medium size Quattro. The first session is just reading in bed, but the second is pretty darn good sleep for me. Around 4 though I had a bunch of blowouts -facefarts which registered as Vs. It got so bad I just took off the mask and went back to sleep. (I didn't really wake up until 7). Here's the chart. The reading really messed up my AHI. Is there a way to delete that section?
Thanks for the encouragement everyone. I think I made progress on the leak issue (and I have new varicose veins on my face to prove it!)

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palerider
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by palerider » Sat Feb 21, 2015 11:36 pm
Suenyo wrote:The reading really messed up my AHI. Is there a way to delete that section?
that'd look better if you'd click off the green bar next to the first session. (you can't delete a session, but you can 'turn it off' and sleepyhead will disregard it.
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by Suenyo » Sat Feb 21, 2015 11:45 pm
Thanks for the tip PR! I'm off to bed...
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