Can You Damage A ClimateLine Hose By Washing It?

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Can You Damage A ClimateLine Hose By Washing It?

Post by KenTheriot » Thu Sep 11, 2014 2:12 pm

I've been wondering if my climateLine hose is even working anymore. I can't seem to feel any heat from it. I don't even remember if I'm supposed to be able to. I have washed it the same way I've always washed hoses, which is to say that the ends do get wet. But since there are metal sensors there, can getting them wet damage the hose?

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Re: Can You Damage A ClimateLine Hose By Washing It?

Post by palerider » Thu Sep 11, 2014 4:38 pm

KenTheriot wrote:I've been wondering if my climateLine hose is even working anymore. I can't seem to feel any heat from it. I don't even remember if I'm supposed to be able to. I have washed it the same way I've always washed hoses, which is to say that the ends do get wet. But since there are metal sensors there, can getting them wet damage the hose?
not having ever felt I needed one myself, so I don't have one to reference, all I can offer is "what do the manufacturers use and care" instructions say on the subject? one would hope they'd addressed this.

does your s9 recognize that it's attached? if nothing else, the hose size settings disappear from the config menu)

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Re: Can You Damage A ClimateLine Hose By Washing It?

Post by tortoisegirl » Thu Sep 11, 2014 4:40 pm

I was told it can be fully submerged, just to be sure the metal contacts are dry before reattaching it. Even at max heat the hose barely feels warm to me. Best wishes.

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Re: Can You Damage A ClimateLine Hose By Washing It?

Post by library lady » Thu Sep 11, 2014 7:10 pm

I have fully submerged my heated hose for PRS1, the equivalent of Climateline.. just be sure the end is fully dry before use.

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Re: Can You Damage A ClimateLine Hose By Washing It?

Post by Sir NoddinOff » Thu Sep 11, 2014 7:20 pm

tortoisegirl wrote:I was told it can be fully submerged, just to be sure the metal contacts are dry before reattaching it. Even at max heat the hose barely feels warm to me. Best wishes.
In the past I've used that heated hose and frankly it just doesn't heat up very much from what I could detect, especially in the summer when the ambient room temperature is fairly high. In the winter I used to think I could feel a temperature difference from the room but I was never sure.

With the Phillips Respironics machines you can switch to classic mode for the humidifier and that really cranks out the heat and humidity - so much so that I use one and a half tanks of water a night (literally). Not everybody is into those temps and moisture but if you need PR's 'classic mode' this option is a blessing. I don't think water submersion is a factor at all unless you leave it for hours and hours, then hook it back up while wet.

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Re: Can You Damage A ClimateLine Hose By Washing It?

Post by chunkyfrog » Thu Sep 11, 2014 7:36 pm

As long as the machine recognizes the hose, it is probably all right.
Electricity baffles me, so using a multimeter is not my thing.
The hose has never felt warm to me, but if a regular hose gives me a cold nose,
the heated hose keeps it just warm enough.
Now that I think of it, I may need to turn up the heat a tad(pole)--it's getting colder.

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Re: Can You Damage A ClimateLine Hose By Washing It?

Post by palerider » Thu Sep 11, 2014 7:47 pm

chunkyfrog wrote:As long as the machine recognizes the hose, it is probably all right.
Electricity baffles me, so using a multimeter is not my thing.
Electricity is very simple, chunky, here, let me explain: (ignore the part about the frog, it might be traumatic)
Today's scientific question is:

What in the world is electricity and where does it go after it leaves the toaster?

Here is a simple experiment that will teach you an important electrical lesson: On a cool dry day, scuff your feet along a carpet, then reach your hand into a friend's mouth and touch one of his dental fillings. Did you notice how your friend twitched violently and cried out in pain? This teaches one that electricity can be a very powerful force, but we must never use it to hurt others unless we need to learn an important lesson about electricity.

It also illustrates how an electrical circuit works. When you scuffed your feet, you picked up batches of "electrons", which are very small objects that carpet manufacturers weave into carpet so that they will attract dirt. The electrons travel through your bloodstream and collect in your finger, where they form a spark that leaps to your friend's filling, then travel down to his feet and back into the carpet, thus completing the circuit.

AMAZING ELECTRONIC FACT:
If you scuffed your feet long enough without touching anything, you would build up so many electrons that your finger would explode! But this is nothing to worry about unless you have carpeting.

Although we modern persons tend to take our electric lights, radios, mixers, etc. for granted, hundreds of years ago people did not have any of these things, which is just as well because there was no place to plug them in. Then along came the first Electrical Pioneer, Benjamin Franklin, who flew a kite in a lightning storm and received a serious electrical shock. This proved that lightning was powered by the same force as carpets, but it also damaged Franklin's brain so severely that he started speaking only in incomprehensible maxims, such as, "A penny saved is a penny earned." Eventually he had to be given a job running the post office.

After Franklin came a herd of Electrical Pioneers whose names have become a part of our electrical terminology : Myron Volt, Mary Louise Amp, James Watt, Bob Transformer etc. These pioneers conducted many important electrical experiments. Among them, Galvani discovered (this is the truth) that when he attached two different kinds of metal to the leg of a frog, an electrical current developed and the frog’s leg kicked even though it was no longer attached to the frog, Galvani’s discovery led to enormous advances in the field of amphibian medicine. Today, skilled veterinary surgeons can take a frog that has been seriously injured or killed, implant pieces of metal in its muscles, and watch it hop back into the pond – where it sinks like a stone.

But the greatest Electrical Pioneer of them all was Thomas Edison, who was a brilliant inventor despite the fact that he had little formal education and lived in New Jersey. Edison's first major invention in 1877 was the phonograph, which could soon be found in thousands of American homes, where it basically sat until 1923, when the record was invented. But Edison's greatest achievement came in 1879 when he invented the electric company. Edison's design was a brilliant adaptation of the simple electrical circuit: the electric company sends electricity through a wire to a customer, then immediately gets the electricity back through another wire, then (this is the brilliant part) sends it right back to the customer again.

This means that an electric company can sell a customer the same batch of electricity thousands of times a day and never get caught, since very few customers take the time to examine their electricity closely. In fact, the last year any new electricity was generated was 1937.

Today, thanks to men like Edison and Franklin, and frogs like Galvani's, we receive almost unlimited benefits from electricity. For example, in the past decade scientists have developed the laser, an electronic appliance so powerful that it can vaporize a bulldozer 2000 yards away, yet so precise that doctors can use it to perform delicate operations to the human eyeball, provided they remember to change the power setting from "Bulldozer" to "Eyeball."

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Re: Can You Damage A ClimateLine Hose By Washing It?

Post by tortoisegirl » Thu Sep 11, 2014 8:35 pm

Sir NoddinOff wrote:With the Phillips Respironics machines you can switch to classic mode for the humidifier and that really cranks out the heat and humidity - so much so that I use one and a half tanks of water a night (literally). Not everybody is into those temps and moisture but if you need PR's 'classic mode' this option is a blessing.
I wish I could get that much humidity out of my Resmed S9 Autoset. Although I know it depends on ambient conditions, I probably use half that, even in the wetter/cooler months and sleeping in late, on the max humidity & temp (6 & 86 deg, manual mode). I'm curious if anyone has had a chance to compare PR & Resmed and if one or the other is able to put out more humidity than the other? Best wishes.

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Re: Can You Damage A ClimateLine Hose By Washing It?

Post by KenTheriot » Fri Sep 12, 2014 1:04 pm

Palerider, thanks for that post! I laughed hysterically at that explanation of electricity - very Dave Barry-esqe.

I think the hose is fine. I did some testing yesterday with and without the hose turned on and definitely felt the heat when it was on.

Thanks again for all the replies!

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Post by chunkyfrog » Fri Sep 12, 2014 1:40 pm

My family never speaks of the Galvani guy--one majorly sick b_st_rd!
For a deeper understanding of electricity and physics, please refer to this link:
http://www4.ncsu.edu/~mtmorris/index3.html

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Post by palerider » Fri Sep 12, 2014 1:43 pm

KenTheriot wrote:Palerider, thanks for that post! I laughed hysterically at that explanation of electricity - very Dave Barry-esqe.
I cannot tell a lie, some places attribute it to the fine mr Barry.

it's been around the net in various forms for ages, I first nearly passed out reading it many years ago.

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Re: Can You Damage A ClimateLine Hose By Washing It?

Post by Sir NoddinOff » Fri Sep 12, 2014 4:15 pm

tortoisegirl wrote: I'm curious if anyone has had a chance to compare PR & Resmed and if one or the other is able to put out more humidity than the other? Best wishes.
I think I just did that in my entry above, tho my results are strictly anecdotal. That being said, I don't think there's going to be much dissent because ResMed machines simply don't give you any significant control over the level of warmth and humidity (nor in breathing waveform shaping, ie. shape trigger-shape cycle adjustment, plus rise time control). ResMed is not even close to PR's overall capability and falls behind in multiple areas.

Therefore when I found out there was no comparison, I bought a PR ASV machine from a member, mostly because I need that extra moisture while residing in my particular dry area of California... it certainly helps keep my lungs and mouth from dehydrating all night long and has done so for about the year. I also really like the Digital Auto-Trak Sensitivity I alluded to above. I find the rise-time adjustment is very comfortable if one's sinuses are stuffed up or the nasal passages are damaged.

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Re: Can You Damage A ClimateLine Hose By Washing It?

Post by TangledHose » Fri Sep 12, 2014 4:45 pm

KenTheriot wrote:I've been wondering if my climateLine hose is even working anymore. I can't seem to feel any heat from it. I don't even remember if I'm supposed to be able to. I have washed it the same way I've always washed hoses, which is to say that the ends do get wet. But since there are metal sensors there, can getting them wet damage the hose?

Thanks.

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Climateline hose about once a month by totally submerging it in a mixture of water and control III antiseptic solution, it stays submerged for a minimum of ten minutes for the control solution to be effective. I always rinse, and allow the hose to dry thoroughly before reconnecting to the machine -- I have never had any problem cleaning this way, and I go more than a year per hose.....still gets nice and warm when I turn on the S9....warm enough to snuggle with!!!

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Re: Can You Damage A ClimateLine Hose By Washing It?

Post by archangle » Fri Sep 12, 2014 11:20 pm

I think the hose isn't really intended to heat the air that much. It's intended to prevent condensation. It does this by keeping the hose temperature high enough to prevent condensation from forming. The heated tube temperature only goes up to 86F or so.

I think most of the heating of the air comes from the humidifier, and the heated tube allows you to pump more humidity into the air without condensation forming.

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