Comparison Resmed S8 AutoSet II vs Remstar M Series

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Re: Comparison Resmed S8 AutoSet II vs Remstar M Series

Post by Wulfman » Tue Apr 07, 2009 8:17 pm

dsm wrote:I believe this patent is the most recent A10 reference

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Pars ... =6,817,361

DSM
That's the one I posted the link to in this one.
Wulfman wrote:Here's a link to the ResMed patent:

United States Patent 6,988,498
Berthon-Jones , et al. January 24, 2006
Administration of CPAP treatment pressure in presence of apnea
Inventors: Berthon-Jones; Michael (Leonay, AU), Farrugia; Steven Paul (Lugarno, AU)
Assignee: Resmed Limited (New South Wales, AU)
Appl. No.: 10/958,854
Filed: October 5, 2004

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Pars ... %2F6988498

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Re: Comparison Resmed S8 AutoSet II vs Remstar M Series

Post by dsm » Tue Apr 07, 2009 8:25 pm

Den thanks
Have fixed the link to the patents.

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Re: Comparison Resmed S8 AutoSet II vs Remstar M Series

Post by -SWS » Tue Apr 07, 2009 8:34 pm

That latest patent contains multiple "embodiments". The A10 portion if that patent still observes the statistical 10 cm barrier in the same way.

The embodiment in that patent describing FOT was deployed in the Resmed AutoSet II Plus. You can see how rare that II Plus model is via these two Google searches:
http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=%22 ... tnG=Search
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22autos ... =firefox-a

And you can clearly see that FOT signal (5 Hz pressure oscillation) described in the II Plus bench study that we already discussed on this message board.
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Re: Comparison Resmed S8 AutoSet II vs Remstar M Series

Post by dsm » Tue Apr 07, 2009 8:34 pm

JNK,

I hear your message & have taken it in.
I need to think through some of the points you made but you made them eloquently and I appreciate the intent.

Thanks



To SWS,

Yes I can see that I went over the top in pushing the 'what are you really up to line'. I did wonder allowing that for me it was always about how the A10 mantra as I call it is so confusing. I was seeing you avoiding that point altogether but taking the high ground on the veracity of the A10 publish statement when for me it was always about the confusion that statement engenders. I agree, Resmed need to do something about how they explain it. I apologize for my hard nosedness on the matter and for any imputation that you were 'playing some game on the issue'.

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Re: Comparison Resmed S8 AutoSet II vs Remstar M Series

Post by jnk » Tue Apr 07, 2009 8:47 pm

-SWS wrote: . . . I honestly hate groupthink with every essence of my fiber. . . .
I think you're wrong.

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Re: Comparison Resmed S8 AutoSet II vs Remstar M Series

Post by -SWS » Tue Apr 07, 2009 9:04 pm

jnk wrote:
-SWS wrote: . . . I honestly hate groupthink with every essence of my fiber. . . .
I think you're wrong.
There! That's more like it!

...Boy, look at those last four words I transposed. Just the mere idea of sheepthink invokes thought-skewing disdain. And yet I realize any social species relies on some crucial amount of consensus to survive. There's really not a whole lot that bothers me in this world. But that's clearly one of them.

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Re: Comparison Resmed S8 AutoSet II vs Remstar M Series

Post by Fredman » Tue Apr 07, 2009 9:19 pm

FOT? 5Hz of what...okay I will leave the technical stuff and patent information to you folks!

Count me as a newbie, but you guys didn't scare me off! What I got, and all I need to know right now is understanding my therapy and the one truth that Dreamstalker eloquently stated: what works for me works for me.

I hate to say that I am a bit swayed towards a Resmed for my second machine not because of the discussion of the A10 (although it has me thinking ), but like SWS alluded to was the quality of the build and also for me...well...it looks good!

I may have to see if I could rent a Resmed S8 AutoSet II to see how well I do on it. Other than that, I am pretty happy with the Remstar Auto - other than it's size.

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Re: Comparison Resmed S8 AutoSet II vs Remstar M Series

Post by ozij » Tue Apr 07, 2009 10:28 pm

Jeff,
I am in as much awe of your ability to untangle interpersonal issues as you (and I) are of -SWS's to do that to the technical ones. I also heartily agree with what you said about the importance of SAG professional contributions to the forum, and the loss to anyone who decides to put him in the foes list...

A gentle reminder: Bangy, who started this thread is not a newbie -- and to all who are curious enough to try a new machine - maybe a month's rental from a DME is worth it.

Georgeio, who brought up the A10 question is new - and his questions gave us a chance to discuss and clarify things - which is always good.

By the way, all autos attempt to preempt events, each using their a different algorithm, and no auto goes "boom that's an apnea I'll ram through it". One part of the algorithm, for each auto, is "how do I respond (how fast, how high) when I have identifed an apnea that has happened". The "response after apnea" is very different in each algorithm.

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Re: Comparison Resmed S8 AutoSet II vs Remstar M Series

Post by rested gal » Wed Apr 08, 2009 12:54 am

ozij wrote:Jeff,
I am in as much awe of your ability to untangle interpersonal issues as you (and I) are of -SWS's to do that to the technical ones. I also heartily agree with what you said about the importance of SAG professional contributions to the forum, and the loss to anyone who decides to put him in the foes list...
Jeff and ozij -- I agree absolutely with what both of you said. Beautifully expressed, Jeff.

-SWS, your patience and fairness have always shone through in every post I've ever read of yours. There's a reason why I pay attention to what you write. I like seeing a brilliant mind at work. I can't do that (brilliant mind work ) but I can recognize it when I see it at work.
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All This For "It Don't Respond To Apneas At >10 cmH2O?"

Post by StillAnotherGuest » Wed Apr 08, 2009 4:44 am

jnk wrote:On a side note: SAG, you strike me as a highly-educated, talented, brilliant man. So I think I understand part of your reasons for your heartfelt disdain that so much misinformation (and disinformation) gets preserved in some threads on this board at times.
Whoa, 0 for 4 there, jnk, you get "The Golden Sombrero".
jnk wrote:But my concern is this: If a newbie were to come here today and read your name-calling (warranted or not, jokingly said or not), that newbie might not take your other posts as seriously as he or she should. Indeed, that CPAP-newbie, if not a forum-user-newbie, might even decide to put you on his or her enemies list.
Let 'em.
jnk wrote:And that would be a true shame, because your contribution here is particularly valuable to all of us.
OK, don't let 'em.
jnk wrote:Personally, that thought worries me much more than anything else I've read in this thread. I hope you don't mind me saying so. Your reputation matters to me.
As o. says:
o. wrote:As for accusations of ulterior motives: readers will no doubt make up their minds about that based on their reading - not on pronouncements. I certainly have my own opinion of the motivations of those who trot out those accusations.
If the "end threaders" want to pass judgement on a post or two, then
SAG wrote:Let 'em.
However, there's a lot of history, that idiot ran his FM one too many times, and one of SAG's many faults is that he tends to "hold a grudge" (ya THINK?)

However, while SAG appreciates your good intentions, he realizes that his reputation (or at least, as much of a reputation that a virtual character can have) is ultimately his own responsibility.

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Re: Comparison Resmed S8 AutoSet II vs Remstar M Series

Post by bangy104 » Tue May 19, 2009 10:36 am

Hi Friends

Thankyou for providing your inputs. The discussions were incredibly enlightening for me and I am constantly amazed by so much knowledge and willingness to share that knowledge in this forum. Based on what I read I have decided to do the following.

1. My DME is setitng me up with a Resmed Autoset II as a loaner for 1 month which I will get this Friday May 22nd. As per him he will provide me with a new machine and If I like it I can keep that one.
2. If after 1 month I do not feel satisfied I can get a new Remstar A-Series Machine from them.

Once again thankyou all for your help and feel free to provide your inputs on my decision.