*holds nose* that was really a stinker.KnightSleeper wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 10:41 pmYou're not suggesting you got bum advice, are you???Cynmatthes wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 8:43 pmThey set mine at 8-24. My machine goes to 25. Don't know where they pulled 24 from.ok maybe I do know where they pulled it from but this isn't the bum thread.
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KnightSleeper wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 10:41 pmYou're not suggesting you got bum advice, are you???Cynmatthes wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 8:43 pmThey set mine at 8-24. My machine goes to 25. Don't know where they pulled 24 from.palerider wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 7:26 pmGet her in here, we'll get that 5 closer to 1.KnightSleeper wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 7:21 pmWell, surprisingly her ahI oftentimes gets down close to 5, sometimes a little less sometimes more... of course, that's pretty good considering she was at about 50 on her overnight sleep test. it just seems odd to me that they didn't narrow down the pressure ranges after a titration study. But then you mentioned that this is the way CPAP often times works. Not so good... We are all LUcky to have found this forum to get things more precise. Thanks Palerider!
So many "sleep professionals" don't understand how auto's work, they think "well, it's automatic, I don't need to do anything"...
4-20 (the machine limits) were the old 'standard', I've been seeing 5-15 or 6-15 a lot lately, but that too is a crappy setting for most people, and dumb, because they think "you need a narrower range when what is really needed is a higher minimum. (which, admittedly narrows the range, but people that do that lower the max, instead...
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Lady, that was a good one. Made me laugh, and I love to laugh.
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That explains so much.
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WHAT??? It was your day to watch him!KnightSleeper wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:18 pmBtw, where is Zonker??? Is he schtum again!!!
It's not unusual, and in fact, desired.KnightSleeper wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:18 pmAnother question: For the last week or so I've had just about zero flow limits most all the time. Is this unusual?
Well, not exactly, FL's are a narrowing of the airway that makes it harder to breathe, but whereas apneas and hypopneas are reductions in flow volume, FLs are reductions in flow *rate*... meaning your air flow rate is limited. You can still get a full breath, but it takes longer and requires more work.KnightSleeper wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:18 pmOr are "flow limits" just milder versions of obstructive apnea and it's no bid deal to have none?
Um, no, it isn't. Why do you think that?KnightSleeper wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:18 pmAlso, I know that mask pressure is practically the same as ipap...
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Yes, but I never said anything about IPAP.KnightSleeper wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:58 pmhmmmm... I thought you said that that somewhere....??? I think you said something to the effect, if someone provides both a pressure chart and a mask pressure chart, it's redundant because one is the mirror of the other... - - like a "good student"...lol... I looked at my two most recent days and it was exactly that...the mask pressure was just sligltly less than the ipap... Or am I looking at the wrong thing... ???palerider wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:29 pmUm, no, it isn't. Why do you think that?KnightSleeper wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:18 pmAlso, I know that mask pressure is practically the same as ipap...
*pressure* is what the machine is supposed to do, single, or dual pressure.
*mask pressure* is the measured pressure. The bottom of the mask pressure line is the EPAP, and the top is the IPAP, zoom in and see the pressure swings on each breath.
Also, I just noticed I left out a 'not'. flow limitations are 'not exactly' like small hypopneas.
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excessive leaks.KnightSleeper wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 11:21 pmWould/could there ever be a time where the pressure (IPAP/EPAP) does not mirror the mask pressure??? If so, why or when? Thanks!
If your leaks are bad enough, you'll see that the measured pressure isn't able to be maintained.
pressure is easier to read when looking at the whole night, but I like seeing mask pressure when looking at individual breath shapes. It's nice to know what, and when, the machine is doing something.
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Re: Help Interpreting Sleepyhead Results
I'd also like to add another advantage of Pressure over Mask Pressure.palerider wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 11:48 pmexcessive leaks.KnightSleeper wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 11:21 pmWould/could there ever be a time where the pressure (IPAP/EPAP) does not mirror the mask pressure??? If so, why or when? Thanks!
If your leaks are bad enough, you'll see that the measured pressure isn't able to be maintained.
pressure is easier to read when looking at the whole night, but I like seeing mask pressure when looking at individual breath shapes. It's nice to know what, and when, the machine is doing something.
When somebody is riding their Max Pressure for extended periods, the Pressure graph flattens and is visibly obvious. The inherent jaggedness and potential for Mask Pressure to actually be higher than Max Pressure can hide the limiting factor.
In the attached graph it is obvious the Pressure is being limited by Max Pressure, while not apparent with the Mask Pressure graph.
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Your brain adjusts to a 'new normal'. same as if you're around some odor for a while, you start to get numb to it.KnightSleeper wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2019 6:24 pmIs there any particular reason why when I first start to use my Resmed Airsense 10 Autoset when I go to sleep it seems like a tad bit of a chore to exhale through my nose (Airfit p10), but later in the evening and/or morning when I wake up, it feels effortless to exhale through my nose? Btw, I am not using any EPR and my nose is as clear when I wake up as it was when I first go to sleep. - - This doesn't make any sense to me...???
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Yeah, wait till you have one of the "is this thing still on?" moments.KnightSleeper wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2019 7:54 pmhmmmmm....that simple, huh??? Who would've thought? - - Thanks palerider!!!palerider wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2019 6:55 pmYour brain adjusts to a 'new normal'. same as if you're around some odor for a while, you start to get numb to it.KnightSleeper wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2019 6:24 pmIs there any particular reason why when I first start to use my Resmed Airsense 10 Autoset when I go to sleep it seems like a tad bit of a chore to exhale through my nose (Airfit p10), but later in the evening and/or morning when I wake up, it feels effortless to exhale through my nose? Btw, I am not using any EPR and my nose is as clear when I wake up as it was when I first go to sleep. - - This doesn't make any sense to me...???
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Jury's still out...KnightSleeper wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2019 10:17 pmSo, it's my brain, huh??? - - Dinosnoreless is questioning whether I even have one!!!
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