If you become "CPAP intolerant"

Anonymous wrote:Sleepless,

You're so welcome. I knew we were on the same side of this issue. I'm glad someone else is brave enough to admit the real goal here should not be to criticize Mr. Smith's efforts, but to capitalize on his ingenuity. I'll say it again, we could all use a helping hand in drumming up business and getting more clients to increase our bottom line, and that includes me. This thread has proven the free advertising done here is invaluable. I'm surprised we haven't seen this forum used for this purpose prior to this, but feel confident we'll be seeing a lot more of it now.
Becca

One of the things I dislike about the Internet (amongst other things) is that it's hard to tell the intent of the writer when you don't hear the written word being spoken. Honestly, I don't know if you're being nasty and facetious or you just don't get it. I did not state what you are trying to say we're in agreement with whatsoever, so that certainly is not the case. I don't feel Dr. Smith was "drumming up business" nor do I think this site should be used as a spot for "free advertising." I feel it's for exactly what I stated it's for, helping one another. I do not believe Dr. Smith is guilty of trying to drum up business; just the opposite. And I am not going to continue this any further. I've said my piece and I'm out on this issue. If you want to continue to spread your position on this thread repeatedly, I can't stop you, nor is it my job to try.

I wish Dr. Smith the best of luck, and I'm not being facetious.

Sleepless on LI wrote:Honestly, I don't know if you're being nasty and facetious or you just don't get it. I did not state what you are trying to say we're in agreement with whatsoever, so that certainly is not the case.

But Sleepless, you wrote:

Sleepless on LI wrote:Becca,

This is exactly what I'm talking about. Thanks for proving my point.

So I guess what you're telling me now is that when you wrote that, you were being nasty and facetious. Here I thought you were a nice, honest person when you said you wished this could just go back to a website where people try to help each other instead of a contest of who can be the most clever in their insulting posts towards one person. Then you insulted me. I guess we're not on the same side on this issue after all. You were being sarcastic and I was being sincere.

If someone doesn't think this site should be used as a spot for free advertising, how can they justify the website links to Mr. Smith's personal practice in each of his posts? You can't have it both ways. I am honest in my feeling that he has opened the door for the rest of us to do the same. Why is that so horrible? I am not being nasty or facetious. I'm not that kind of person.

Sleepless on LI wrote:And I am not going to continue this any further. I've said my piece and I'm out on this issue. If you want to continue to spread your position on this thread repeatedly, I can't stop you, nor is it my job to try.

I thought you were sharing your opinion, as I was. I didn't know you were trying to shut me down. You spread your position on this thread repeatedly, and it never occurred to me that I should try to stop you. I'm not sure what makes you think you have that right, but you don't.
Becca

lorie, dont you see that becca is caroline? same person. and i woldn't reply to them either.

Just to put my 2cents in - I appreciate any assistance from anyone where my Sleep Apnea is concerned - I did not take the Doctor's first post as an advertisement, or drumming up business, but as another avenue of information. I thought that information sharing was one of the goals of this board, but, perhaps I'm incorrect.
Thanks for the info doc!

The dentist's first post definitely seemed to be informative, and, you'll note, did not contain the advertising link to his personal business. Interestingly, all his subsequent posts did. Which, in a different way could also be considered informative, because as a result of the link, we have learned quite a bit about this dentist's private practice.
We can speculate all we want, but who are we to say whether or not this case should be deemed to be use of the forum for free advertising? And who are we to say that such use of the forum is not permissable? That is up to the directors of the forum. They obviously don't have a problem with it. Why should we? We are debating this issue as though we think we are capable of determining motivation and in control of setting policy. We can't and we aren't. It's not up to us. What we have learned from this, aside from some revealing insight into different personalities on this board, is, until we are notified to the contrary, it is acceptable practice on this forum to include a link to your personal business in your postings. It's up to each individual to decide if they want to do so. If we find this practice to be offensive, we can stop visiting the forum anytime we please.

actually, guest without a name, becca is not caroline. i may believe my principles very strongly but i am not about to resort to subterfuge to try to gain additional space or veracity. as you can see, i am perfectly capable of speaking my own mind. so i'd suggest that you not go there without evidence.

caroline

Caroline, I for sure didn't for one minute think you were guest Becca and I am okay with Kent's posts. You are definitely entitled to your opinion and to post it as long as it doesn't get personal, which it didn't. I think that if anyone feels that strongly about this they should click on the spam button at the top right of the post in question and let the administrators deal with it. If they decide that it is spam they will delete it.

thanks, darth.

I don’t know if this thread is dead, so to speak, but I’d just like to add that the dental devices can alter your bite significantly after prolonged use. This happened to me and I’m going to be dealing with the consequences (read: orthodontics) for years to come. It has also been documented in clinical studies. See:

See Dental side-effects of mandibular advancement splint wear
in patients who snore
Battagel, J.M. & Kotecha, B.
Clin. Otolaryngol. 2005, 30, 149–156

If you’d like a PDF of the article, PM me.

I marginally agree with Caroline to the degree that I wouldn't want this site to deteriorate to a classifieds forum, like some magazines in which every "story" is a dressed up ad for a product. That would be the beginning of the end for cpaptalk. And my gut is also suspect that our polite dentist guest's original intent may not have been 100% benevolent. But, his entrance was respectful and does include information potentially helpful to some users of this forum. And I lean toward thinking his adding his business link was more to lend credibility and not appear obscure than to drum up business. Enough of my opinions.

I recently had occasion to inquire about the rules for posting on cpaptalk about items for sale. I had seen much positive discussion of PadACheeks and Mike Moran's "This Book Blows" and wanted to know if it was okay to mention my t-shirts with sleep apnea sayings on them. I wish I could remember verbatim what was said, but the gist of it is that this forum is for related posts of interest and benefit to the members of the forum, and that member response is an effective monitor.

I doubt that gratuitous advertising and corporate advertising would survive here, but the fact is, sleep apnea sufferers are consumers of related items. What better place to be made aware of available items, especially if the info is from "one of our own"? Karen (padacheek) has a desire to provide a product to help those in danger of noncompliance due to headgear discomfort. If that translates into a business where she can generate income doing what she loves, good for her. It's a win-win situation. I personally don't have the kind of headgear that needs her product - so what? Half the posts on the forum don't relate to me, but they relate to someone. I say live and let live.

Kathy
no link - not an ad

Mercy me - didn't look at date of prior posts. So sorry.
Kathy