Hose Covers with Heated Hose?

[Luthie2006]

Hello, thank you all for helping me yesterday to explain why water was going into my nose and ear from the nasal pillows, due to condensation. I lowered
the humidity to 2.0 from 3.0 and turned down the temperature to 73 from 75. I was told to get a "cozy-hose" or insulated hose to reduce condensation. Now I have been reading that a hose cover is very dangerous for a Climate Control S9 Res Med Machine? And how do I know if my machine came with a heated hose? Is this true, and are there specific hose covers for a heated hose? Thank you.

[SGearhart]

If you can adjust the temperature, then you have a heated (Climateline) hose. I've used both the Snuggle and the Resmed hose covers without any adverse effects. The Resmed has a fabric that reminds me of a fire hose. The Snuggle has a fabric consistency feel between polartec and a fuzzy blanket. (I can't think of anything else to compare it to...I left all my adjectives in my other suit.)

Remember that the lower temperature will carry less moisture given the same value setting. Thus a setting of 3 at 75ºF will have more water vapor than a setting of 3 at 73ºF. (not much mind you) By turning down both the humidity number and the temperature you making a more drastic reduction as opposed to just lowering one of them.

[Luthie2006]

Thank you, but I still have read on a lot of websites, that if you have a heated hose, you SHOULD NOT use a hose cover. Kind of mixed messages?
Is it dangerous? I am trying avoid condensation and rain out.

[Pugsy]

People do use hose covers on the S9 ClimateLine heated hose and that includes the skinny (thin) ResMed hose cover
https://www.cpap.com/productpage/resmed ... -wrap.html
and I have this one and have used it on my ClimateLine hose without issues (for protection mainly from the cats from hell). It is thin and probably doesn't offer much in insulation properties but to be honest I would prefer to just increase the hose air temp anyway.
Over the years I have found that various hose cozies add a little weight to the long hose and with my preference for ultra light weight nasal pillows and headgear that sometimes that added weight sort of tugs on the mask a bit and is annoying.

That said...we have forum users who actually use the even more dense hose cozies on their ClimateLine hoses also without issue.
Hose cozies like the really nice one from Padacheek and the not quite as dense Snugglehose.

These hose cozies don't seem to create a lot of excess warmth but instead probably just help maintain the air temp in the hose with less work from the heating coils in the hose.

Now there are some stand alone heated hoses that definitely we wouldn't want to use a hose cozy with (like the Hybernite heated hose) because it gets really, really warm (I tried it once when I had the Hybernite and it told me not to do it so of course I had to try it) and it's uncomfortably warm.

So you have some options and you can use a hose cozy if you wish but it will add weight to the long hose which might impact how the mask fits...and it really isn't necessary unless you have other reasons besides warming the air for using a hose cozy.
Other reason..might be you just don't like the plastic feel or sound.
Otherwise you have lots of room to just increase the air temp in the hose so that condensation doesn't occur.

[Luthie2006]

Still having problems with rain out. I turned down the humidity level to 1.5 and temperature to 70 and not only does my nose feel like the Sahara Desert but in the middle of the night, the water sprays into the nasal pillows and actually puts enough pressure on the pillows to flatten them or move them to the side and then the air comes rushing in with water. Every other hour or less I am up arranging the nasal pillows back. I am going to order a hose cover (Res Med) tomorrow but don't know what else to do? Anyone have suggestions? I know this is a hit-miss thing.

[Pugsy]

Turn the hose air temperature up and not down. Try 75 to 80 degrees.

[chunkyfrog]

Resmed does not recommend the use of a cover on their heated hoses.
Then they sell their own cover that is "OK to use on them".
Applying logic, I can see where it is probably all right, but if it is not a Resmed cover,
don't expect the warranty to be honored. Of course, any warranty is of minimal value, or less,
--especially since it is for a mere 30 days.

[Luthie2006]

Thank you very much. I will try turning the temperature up to 80. I had it on 75 and lots of rain out into my nose and air rushing through.
I have the humidity level set to 1.5 now and I will turn the temperature to 80? Thanks Pugsy and Chunky Frog. Almost 1 year of using and now having terrible bumps in the road.
So temperature up is the key to avoid rain out?

[Pugsy]

Yes...to beat rain out you have to warm up the air...either in the hose or the bedroom and stop the air in the hose/mask from cooling to the point of releasing the moisture.
Remember...warm air will hold more water than cool air. Think of the Physics behind it all.
You should be able to use the humidity setting that your nose needs and not have rain out issues unless your bedroom is really cold.
If your nose is unhappy with 1.5 setting...use what your nose likes and just warm up the air so the air will hold onto the water.

In the winter I keep my bedroom really cold (like 50 to 55 degrees) and I have to have lots of moisture to keep my nose happy so I set the humidity to maximum and set temp to around 80 degrees and I don't have rain out in my nasal pillows or my hose and I don't use a hose cover.
Now before I got a heated hose winter was always a fun time for me. Lots of various experiments were done to reduce rain out.

[Islandwoman]

I like my hose cover even on the heated hose. It is thin but I keep my hose under the covers and it feels very cozy. I really don't like the feel of plastic next to my skin. I Use a cloth mask also.

[Luthie2006]

So I will up the temperature to 80 and keep the humidity down to 1.5. My room is not cold about 67. I will try it with a higher temperature setting to 80 tonight with humidity at 1.5 and see how that works. Thank you so much Pugsy and all who are helping me in this very frustrating situation.

[msla]

Does pulling the hose under the covers with me count as a hose cover?

[chunkyfrog]

Does pulling the hose under the covers with me count as a hose cover?

You ARE talking about the air hose, right?

[Oughtsix]

Does pulling the hose under the covers with me count as a hose cover?

You ARE talking about the air hose, right?

LOL!


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Is your CPAP above your head? Level with your head? Or below your head?

I would guess that a with the hose temp set to 80 that you should be able to run at humidity level of 2 or 3 pretty easily with out any rain out. I can run my humidifier at its highest setting with my hose set to 80 and get zero rainout in a 60 degree room. This is too much humidity for me but I know it can be done. If you are still experiencing problems put your CPAP on the floor next to your bed. If you do get rainout the water should migrate back to the humidifier tank instead of your nose if your CPAP is on the floor.

The greater part of my heated hose is under my pillow. My pillow will hold in much more heat than a cozy. If this was a hazard the manufactures would have several law suits by now and all heated hoses would be recalled.

If you have a heated hose you should have 2 contacts on the end of the hose where it plugs into the CPAP. If you don't have these two contcts you don't have a heated hose.

[Luthie2006]

I wanted to thank Pugsy again, as always, and everyone else who wrote. Pugsy was right. I was afraid to turn the heat up to 80 because at 75 I was getting the horrible rain-out into the nasal pillows. I was afraid to turn up the heat because several great-intention people told me to turn the temperature way down. I had turned the temperature down to 75 and 73, really only a few degrees difference and terrible rain-out. Then I read what Pugsy stated about turning it up to 80. This seemed to do the trick!! I also warm the water up in the microwave in a microwave safe glass before putting it into the humidifier making sure that the water is only lukewarm. Thank you Pugsy for suggesting I turn it up to 80. I have turned down the humidity level to 2. Thank you again. Hopefully no more rain out and that it was not a coincidence. First night with no water in the pillows and the pillows moving all around. I am also going to buy a hose cozy. Thank you again. I will keep you posted.