CPAP & Klebsiella

[ChicagoGranny]

It seemed to me from some of the websites I was reading that there might be opportunity for klebsiella to be introduced into your body through use of a CPAP Respironics machine.

Nope ... nope ... nope ... nope ...

[monawatusi]

Wow! Thank you for all the responses and such creative interpretations...LOL
Glad to know you guys think there is no connection.

[SleepyToo2]

I had a UTI many years ago. I was told that there is no rational explanation for most such infections in healthy people. So, make sure you take a good probiotic, especially after the antibiotic needed to wipe out the uti. Think sauerkraut, kimchee, etc. Make sure your vitamin D levels are "normal", and eat plenty of fresh fruit to keep your vitamin C levels up.

By the way, stop blaming Respironics - a Klebsiella uti is just as unlikely to happen with a ResMed or any other PAP machine. Or with nothing. So, relax. Put your mask on (in the correct place), and go to sleep!

[jwerley]

Really, not so far fetched......You could blow your nose that contain (upper respiratory infection with Kleb), contaminate
hands, then go pee pee and wipe yourself.... contaminated fingers slip a bit and touch opening of uretha...... or someone elses contaminated hands??..... and bingo, Kleb into bladder....could happen.....

I know TMI

[Little Jimmy Tables]

Actually, the issue is not the infected air going into the machine, but the infected air coming out of it. The tubing can be a nice, inviting place for molds or bacteria to grow. It is not uncommon for serious Klebisella infections to arise in hospital settings with patients on CPAP or other breathing devices. It can be deadly with neonates (babies).

[ButtermilkBuoy]

Actually, the issue is not the infected air going into the machine, but the infected air coming out of it. The tubing can be a nice, inviting place for molds or bacteria to grow. It is not uncommon for serious Klebisella infections to arise in hospital settings with patients on CPAP or other breathing devices. It can be deadly with neonates (babies).

"Not uncommon" is often a weasel phrase.

Please provide a link to a scientific paper that indicates a problem with kebisella/CPAP in adults in a home setting. I could find nothing.

It's not nice to try to scare people. Especially about a therapy these people depend on greatly.

[oncomingspork]

What I want to know is, does it have to be kielbasa? Or can I use some weisswurst or haggis in my CPAP instead?

[chunkyfrog]

. . .
Mmmm, borscht.

Perfect time of the year for borscht.
Nice and hot, full of vegetables and beef, served with chunks of Lithuanian rye, with unsalted butter.

[WindCpap]

It is impossible to get a UTI from CPAP. The region's in question are not connected.

Edit: Just read CFs post. I like that explanation better. Wish there was a "Like" on this forum sometimes.

[jonny515]

Well in a hospital setting, presumably these people already have compromised immune systems. Hospitals are huge breeding grounds for germs anyway. And neonates that in a hospital aren't on breathing machines because they are normal healthy babies.
I agree "not uncommon" is a weasel phrase. I don't see this comment really applying to normal adults in a home setting.

This is a disease of weakened immunity anyways.

Actually, the issue is not the infected air going into the machine, but the infected air coming out of it. The tubing can be a nice, inviting place for molds or bacteria to grow. It is not uncommon for serious Klebisella infections to arise in hospital settings with patients on CPAP or other breathing devices. It can be deadly with neonates (babies).

"Not uncommon" is often a weasel phrase.

Please provide a link to a scientific paper that indicates a problem with kebisella/CPAP in adults in a home setting. I could find nothing.

It's not nice to try to scare people. Especially about a therapy these people depend on greatly.

[Therapist]

It's not nice to try to scare people. Especially about a therapy these people depend on greatly.

+1

[WindCpap]

Actually, the issue is not the infected air going into the machine, but the infected air coming out of it. The tubing can be a nice, inviting place for molds or bacteria to grow. It is not uncommon for serious Klebisella infections to arise in hospital settings with patients on CPAP or other breathing devices. It can be deadly with neonates (babies).

First off, let's be clear (Wulfman can testify to our previous arguments). I am definitely a fan of CPAP cleanliness, and will be the first to say that you should empty your humidifier water regularly, and keep your tube clean. I am not trying to start an argument about this now as this horse has been beaten to death.

Let's look at your post closely.

Actually, the issue is not the infected air going into the machine, but the infected air coming out of it. The tubing can be a nice, inviting place for molds or bacteria to grow.

This is somewhat true, but equipment that is regularly cleaned according to manufacturers instructions will not harbor enough food for significant colonies of bacteria or mould to grow. They may be present, but no more so than in the rest of the environment. Basically, if a pathogen enters your cpap, it was already in the environment. The only way for it to grow is if it has something to eat. It will not have something to eat if the cpap is clean.

It is not uncommon for serious Klebisella infections to arise in hospital settings with patients on CPAP or other breathing devices. It can be deadly with neonates (babies).

Klebisella is an opportunistic infection, but otherwise a harmless part of our normal microbiome. Seriously ill patients and newborn babies (especially premature ones) get opportunistic infections regardless of whether or not they are on any kind of breathing device. It is present in the environment. It does not cause illness in people who are otherwise healthy.

The problem I have with your post is that you have linked two very loosely related statements to infer that using CPAP leads to serious, and sometimes fatal respiratory infections. This is not true.

[Sheffey]

The problem I have with your post is that you have linked two very loosely related statements to infer that using CPAP leads to serious, and sometimes fatal respiratory infections. This is not true.

+1

Seems to be a hit-and-run guest poster.

[chunkyfrog]

Graffiti?

[jonny515]

I wish I could love this post. Sounds delicious.
If I weren't so damn lazy...

. . .
Mmmm, borscht.

Perfect time of the year for borscht.
Nice and hot, full of vegetables and beef, served with chunks of Lithuanian rye, with unsalted butter.