Resmed officially raising prices

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Resmed officially raising prices

Post by neversleeps » Fri Jun 30, 2006 9:26 pm

It's official. Resmed is raising prices for internet providers.
This is from hmenews.com (Note: No, it's not OUR Mike Moran.)
Internet retailers concern ResMed
by Mike Moran, Editor

POWAY, Calif. - ResMed plans in September to implement strict new quidelines--including mandatory minimum pricing--intended to bring law and order to the Wild West approach some online retailers take when selling CPAPs.

"We are going to be strict about enforcement of our Internet policy," said Hillary Theakston, director of communications. "If we find that an Internet dealer is not in compliance, then we will stop selling to them; it's as straight forward as that,"

At issue: Online retailers who sell CPAPs at prices so discounted that they can't afford to offer follow-up service, maintenance or education. The result: Very low compliance.

"We view this as a quality issue," added Stefan Elterich, vice president of sales, North America. "If the follow up care isn't there, it ultimately reflects on our products and the quality of therapy they provide. From that standpoint, this policy serves our interests in providing high quality therapy."

ResMed estimates that currently about 5% of all CPAP business occurs over the Internet. But as this distribution channel grows and competition increases, the company wants to ensure that patient care is not sacrificed, Elterich added.

Bricks and mortar providers, especially those selling power wheelchairs, have long complained that while Internet retailers often offer great prices because of their reduced overhead, some give little in the way of after-sale service. To counter this, a number of manufacturers have set minimum standards for service and maintenance and don't sell product to any provider--Internet or bricks-and-mortar--who doesn't meet those standards. (See HME News 5/2002).

Several manufactures of sleep products either declined to comment or did not return phone calls for this story. Invacare's vice president of sleep, Ann MacGregor, however, call ResMed's policy "a good thing."

"In every major conversation among manufacturers over the past four years, I've heard complaints that patients end up showing up on at a provider's door because they can't get care from the online seller," McGregor said. "It is commonplace."

Invacare doesn't do a lot of CPAP business with online providers and has not developed a sales and service policy, she said.

In addition to strictly enforcing its suggested retail price, ResMed expects Internet providers to use marketing material as intended, not to resell products intended for the U.S market internationally and to offer education, information and a support team that patients can contact for help.

One Internet provider of CPAP speculated that ResMed implemented the new policy to appease bricks-and-mortar customers upset at losing business to lower-priced Internet providers. ResMed officials denied the charge.

"They look at us as trailer trash or that we stick it in a box and just ship it out, and we don't," said the Internet provider, who asked not to be identified. "They are coming down hard on us."

Tracy Nasca is senior vice president of Talk About Sleep, a resource Internet site for people with sleep disordered breathing that also sells CPAPs. ResMed's new policy, she said, levels the playing field. Some Internet retailers sell products for less than she can buy them.

"We don't offer our retail store just to make a buck," she said. "Or mission is to provide education, information and support. That is the difference between my organization and people who inventory things in their basement and extra bedrooms and just sell on line."

---Edited to put the article in quotes---
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Re: Resmed officially raising prices

Post by Guest » Fri Jun 30, 2006 9:56 pm

neversleeps wrote:Tracy Nasca is senior vice president of Talk About Sleep, a resource Internet site for people with sleep disordered breathing that also sells CPAPs. ResMed's new policy, she said, levels the playing field. Some Internet retailers sell products for less than she can buy them.

"We don't offer our retail store just to make a buck," she said. "Or mission is to provide education, information and support. That is the difference between my organization and people who inventory things in their basement and extra bedrooms and just sell on line."
TAS supports this price increase for internet retailers? What are they thinking?


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Post by Bonnie » Fri Jun 30, 2006 9:57 pm

............intended to bring law and order to the Wild West approach some online retailers take when selling CPAPs.
Good grief..

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Post by Snoredog » Fri Jun 30, 2006 10:16 pm

all more the reason to buy the Respironics Remstar, it is still made in the USA in PA.

I know Respironics masks are cheap and made in china, but the Remstars machines are much more sophisticated and responsive inside anyway. Majority of sleep labs in the US use Respironics for diagnostic PSG's and titration's.

This change looks like it will also impact those of us using Resmed masks with the UltraMirage Full Face, Swift and Activa masks, etc.

So I guess we will just have to get used to paying nearly double the current price or get used to Respironics masks. Sure hope they improve the quality on that ComfortFull.

That is until one of those Internet dealers files a complaint with the US Attorney General and FTC for manipulating distributor pricing, but like the oil companies, they probably won't do squat about it so we just end up paying more. Isn't that the American way, so much for NAFTA.

dang! I should have kept my Spirit, it may be a collectors item someday

Think I'm going to go buy some Respironics stock.


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Post by Goofproof » Fri Jun 30, 2006 10:23 pm

That give you two months or less to Vote with your Billfold, I've already cast my Ballot. Too bad I can't afford to vote twice,

BTW: I'll just tell you my dealings with My DME, Lincare, they had a slow day and called me up to ask if I needed anything, (First time in A year, Never before). So Not to turn a gift horse away I said I could Use a F & P 431 mask no headgear, Two foam pollen filters for REMstar, and a 10 foot CPAP hose, not a unreasonable request. (I knew the ins wouldn't go for the headgear yet.)

Last night UPS dumped a box on the porch, and roared away. I took it inside to check out my new prizes, In the box was a open, F & P 431 Box, with a mask inside, with the mask was a open package with a small face gasket in it, the medium was on the mask, and the large was gone.

I also had a package of two filters, not the two I ordered, but the two ultra fine that go under the ones I ordered. I also got a sealed bag containing a cpap hose, again not the one I ordered, but a 6 foot one. So I guess they want me to be on a short leash. This is a Nationwide Brick and Motar store that Resmed, says is going to save us all from the internet providers.

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Post by Snoredog » Fri Jun 30, 2006 10:29 pm

Goofproof wrote:That give you two months or less to Vote with your Billfold, I've already cast my Ballot. Too bad I can't afford to vote twice,

BTW: I'll just tell you my dealings with My DME, Lincare, they had a slow day and called me up to ask if I needed anything, (First time in A year, Never before). So Not to turn a gift horse away I said I could Use a F & P 431 mask no headgear, Two foam pollen filters for REMstar, and a 10 foot CPAP hose, not a unreasonable request. (I knew the ins wouldn't go for the headgear yet.)

Last night UPS dumped a box on the porch, and roared away. I took it inside to check out my new prizes, In the box was a open, F & P 431 Box, with a mask inside, with the mask was a open package with a small face gasket in it, the medium was on the mask, and the large was gone.

I also had a package of two filters, not the two I ordered, but the two ultra fine that go under the ones I ordered. I also got a sealed bag containing a cpap hose, again not the one I ordered, but a 6 foot one. So I guess they want me to be on a short leash. This is a Nationwide Brick and Motar store that Resmed, says is going to save us all from the internet providers.

HORSE HOCKEY! Jim

LOL at least you got a box.


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Re: Resmed officially raising prices

Post by Barb (Seattle) » Sat Jul 01, 2006 12:03 am

"We view this as a quality issue," added Stefan Elterich, vice president of sales, North America. "If the follow up care isn't there, it ultimately reflects on our products and the quality of therapy they provide. From that standpoint, this policy serves our interests in providing high quality therapy."
Ok. What kind of "quality" follow-up care am I getting, going through the "proper" channels of a sleep center with DME?? My numbers are being GUESSED AT by my DME. That statement from them is because they just don't want to lose business. I don't really trust Resmed or any sleep centers lately ...

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Post by Darth Vader Look » Sat Jul 01, 2006 12:04 am

Guest wrote:TAS supports this price increase for internet retailers? What are they thinking?
I think TAS is having an identity crisis. They should be looking in the mirror and not out from it. They won't be laughing come September .

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Post by Wulfman » Sat Jul 01, 2006 12:36 am

Well, it seems that ResMed isn't selling enough masks, either. I just went to the HME News site to look up the story that Neversleeps posted.....and found this article. It seems that TAS is doing surveys FOR the manufacturers.

This whole "heavy-handed" price-fixing (read that MONEY GRUBBING) and international shipment restriction stuff that ResMed is doing just plain stinks!
I just hope it turns out to be illegal.

Who are they to tell me how long I can or have to use my mask???

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June 26, 2006

OSA patients, providers need to talk more, survey says
SAN DIEGO -- While patients clean their sleep masks frequently, most don't replace them as often as recommended under CMS guidelines, according to a blind survey conducted in May by TalkAboutSleep.com.

TalkAboutSleep.com, an online resource for people with sleep disorders, conducted the survey for sleep manufacturer ResMed, which released the results last week.

The survey found that only 30% of the 372 respondents had replaced their masks in the past nine months. About 54% had not replaced their mask in the past 10 months, and 48% had never replaced their mask at all. About 30% of respondents said they use more than one mask, according to the survey.

Mask comfort and patient compliance are closely linked.

"This survey suggests a tremendous need for patient education, as well as a significant business opportunity for home medical equipment providers," said Michael Farrell, ResMed's vice president of marketing.

"We hope this survey serves as another reason for providers to grow their businesses by delivering regular follow-up care."

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Post by ozij » Sat Jul 01, 2006 1:05 am

"follow-up service, maintenance or education"
It's called cpaptalk, hosted by this Texas interntet provider https://www.cpap.com.

Best ever.

Probably hunderds of users here who wouldn't have stuck to their therapy if weren't for the follow-up, support and tips we got from this site.

Resmed must have real idiots around, with their head stuck in the sand or - maybe in their bank account - may it diminish....

Support, follow-up and education can be done perfectly on the net - by people whose "succesful-sleep-hours" are second to none.

Ever heard of flight training being given by people who sell planes, instead of those experienced in flying them?

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Post by neversleeps » Sat Jul 01, 2006 1:08 am

At issue: Online retailers who sell CPAPs at prices so discounted that they can't afford to offer follow-up service, maintenance or education. The result: Very low compliance.

"We view this as a quality issue," added Stefan Elterich, vice president of sales, North America. "If the follow up care isn't there, it ultimately reflects on our products and the quality of therapy they provide. From that standpoint, this policy serves our interests in providing high quality therapy."
ozij wrote:
"follow-up service, maintenance or education"
It's called cpaptalk, hosted by this Texas interntet provider
https://www.cpap.com.
Ozij, you are so right! Isn't it ironic??? Isn't it quite evident from reading this forum that it is cpap.com and cpaptalk who are providing the followup care that isn't there from the brick and mortar DMEs? I think the majority of us found this place because we were looking for the answers and support we couldn't get from our local providers. I'm also willing to bet the compliance rate is significantly higher for those who get their equipment from cpap.com than for those who get it from their local DME.

This is so wrong on so many levels it is hard to know where to start. I believe the truth of the matter is Resmed's price increase for internet providers has nothing to do with the suggested questionable followup care and low compliance, and everything to do with appeasing their biggest clients; not to mention substantially increasing their own profit. Resmed wants the world to believe their action is driven by their tremendous concern for the cpap user. I'm not buying it -- literally or figuratively -- ever again.

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Post by Guest » Sat Jul 01, 2006 2:52 am

Take an oath to never buy another Resmed product until they recant their recent decision.

Bye bye Resmed!


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Post by Sleepy-in-AL » Sat Jul 01, 2006 8:07 am

I've posted before in regards to this policy. They don't care about follow up care or patient compliance. The other article that was posted from Investor's Businesess Daily spells out what they are concerned about. They don't want "low" Internet prices to impact the insurance reimbursement rates. If they were concerned about follow up care, they would implement policies that require follow up care, not inflate prices. Like most, I got such lousy service from my DME that I would rather pay out of pocket for my supplies than to try to go back to them. I'm not saying that every DME is bad, but with the service that most of us get from our DMEs and Docs, the question shouldn't be: "Why is compliance so low?"; it should be "Why is compliance so high?"

This IS price gouging and it is insurance fraud. I've contacted the Inspector Generals Office and the US and Alabama Attorney Generals office as well as my congressman. Not that I'm expecting any results but I suggest each of you contact them as well.


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Post by johndes » Sat Jul 01, 2006 8:26 am

Snoredog wrote:
This change looks like it will also impact those of us using Resmed masks with the UltraMirage Full Face, Swift and Activa masks, etc.

All the more reason why the UM Full Face, Activa, Swift etc will lose market share fast to innovative masks like the Hybrid (http://www.hybridmask.com)


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Post by Rastaman » Sat Jul 01, 2006 8:39 am

I'm all for fighting back with your dollar bills. And once again, just like speeding tickets, they're trying to justify this revenue making device as being "for the patients". Most things in life where they set up a "toll" so to speak, don't work and people keep right on doing what they want to do because people don't like to be told what to do. In other words, there are all kinds of band-aids all around us that aren't working one little bit.

But since other providers such as Invacare seem to think this is a good thing I'm imagining they'll follow suit. I think we'll all be surprised within 3 to 6 months at what happens. I say buy your products NOW! The prices may go up across the board in a few months.

And as far as masks go, I wouldn't be surprised if DME's just start giving you a new one every 6 months whether you ask for one or not. "For your health" ofcourse. Or "For your own good" because you're too uneducated to figure any of this out on your own.


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