OT Diabetes, Insulin Resistence & Obesity

[RestedRebel]

Everything I have learned from the weight management program at my local hospital is what has been said here. Protein diet using low fat meat choices, vegetables, fruits, and no processed foods, particularly white, starchy foods, such as rice, potatoes, and pasta. One interesting fact I learned is that despite what the advertising industry has told us, avocados are not healthy food. They are high calorie and a serving size is so small that it's not worth buying and eating them, despite what their advertising has told us. People generally eat the entire thing, and it's way too fattening.''

Lean meats = chicken, fish, lean beef, and lean pork. Not bacon. The paleolithic diet makes sense. Processed foods are addictive and bad as in chips of any kind. We need to start eating differently because there is a huge obesity epidemic, and it's not going away any time soon if we don't make some changes in our lives and lifestyles.

No. Do NOT do low carb and low fat for long. Very bad idea. Your body needs fats, it doesn't need much in the way of carbs but it need fats. Eat the bloody avocado whole and enjoy it.

Not a problem for me, as I don't happen to like avocados. And, yes, you are correct that our bodies need fat. We have been taught that there is enough fat in the lean meats that we will be eating once we maintain our healthy weight, and if we want a shake or a smoothie, we should be using flaxseed, or nuts to supplement the shake. Even on our diet now, we get a certain amount of fat, so I do agree with you completely. I'm still in the weight loss part of the program, but as I learn more, I will share.

[RestedRebel]

Everything I have learned from the weight management program at my local hospital is what has been said here. Protein diet using low fat meat choices, vegetables, fruits, and no processed foods, particularly white, starchy foods, such as rice, potatoes, and pasta. One interesting fact I learned is that despite what the advertising industry has told us, avocados are not healthy food. They are high calorie and a serving size is so small that it's not worth buying and eating them, despite what their advertising has told us. People generally eat the entire thing, and it's way too fattening.''

Lean meats = chicken, fish, lean beef, and lean pork. Not bacon. The paleolithic diet makes sense. Processed foods are addictive and bad as in chips of any kind. We need to start eating differently because there is a huge obesity epidemic, and it's not going away any time soon if we don't make some changes in our lives and lifestyles.

NO ... you are putting text in people's post.

Nobody said anything (yet, except YOU) at all about eating low fat or avocados being unhealthy or fattening ... YOU erroneously concluded that. And quite the contrary, fat, especially saturated plant and animal fats are "ESSENTIAL" to good health ... even bacon! Fat is an essential component of many hormones ... hormones that our bodies use to communicate with our cellular DNA (educate yourself on epigenetics someday). Yes, processed foods are bad for health but everybody knows that already ... and yet the processed food industry thrives because people have been scared away from ... you guessed it, FAT. Until the dietary fat phobes are taken for what they are, as ignorant and perhaps purposely being stupid, we will continue to have an obesity problem.

This is what we are being taught from our weight loss dieticians and doctors if we want to keep off the weight. I'm not arguing with you about what you're saying, and I'll stop posting what I'm learning and being taught. I don't necessarily disagree with you, just sharing what I had been taught.

[RestedRebel]

Congrats on your recovery path to better health

Thanks! and thanks for the health tips too!

I think the only raw thing I like is Tuna Tataki and raw veggies of course. I don't think you're talking about any other meat that's raw though, are you? I'm 5'11 and actually want to get to 170 (lowest healthy weight for my height) and then I can't wait to see if I still need pap (I'm cool with it even if I still do though). I'm 196 now and it seems I'm losing a pound every other day. I'm doing hardcore biking and hiking on a nearby bike trail for at least 3 hours a day (I'm a desperate woman), in addition to drastically changing my eating habits. This weight ain't EVER comin' back. I am so sick to death of it.

I don't know how old you are, but I know I couldn't bike and hike for 3 hours a day. It's my understanding that as we age we need exercise to promote flexibility and balance, strength, and cardio/endurance. All cardio/endurance exercising doesn't promote flexibility, balance, or strength.

[DreamStalker]

Everything I have learned from the weight management program at my local hospital is what has been said here. Protein diet using low fat meat choices, vegetables, fruits, and no processed foods, particularly white, starchy foods, such as rice, potatoes, and pasta. One interesting fact I learned is that despite what the advertising industry has told us, avocados are not healthy food. They are high calorie and a serving size is so small that it's not worth buying and eating them, despite what their advertising has told us. People generally eat the entire thing, and it's way too fattening.''

Lean meats = chicken, fish, lean beef, and lean pork. Not bacon. The paleolithic diet makes sense. Processed foods are addictive and bad as in chips of any kind. We need to start eating differently because there is a huge obesity epidemic, and it's not going away any time soon if we don't make some changes in our lives and lifestyles.

NO ... you are putting text in people's post.

Nobody said anything (yet, except YOU) at all about eating low fat or avocados being unhealthy or fattening ... YOU erroneously concluded that. And quite the contrary, fat, especially saturated plant and animal fats are "ESSENTIAL" to good health ... even bacon! Fat is an essential component of many hormones ... hormones that our bodies use to communicate with our cellular DNA (educate yourself on epigenetics someday). Yes, processed foods are bad for health but everybody knows that already ... and yet the processed food industry thrives because people have been scared away from ... you guessed it, FAT. Until the dietary fat phobes are taken for what they are, as ignorant and perhaps purposely being stupid, we will continue to have an obesity problem.

This is what we are being taught from our weight loss dieticians and doctors if we want to keep off the weight. I'm not arguing with you about what you're saying, and I'll stop posting what I'm learning and being taught. I don't necessarily disagree with you, just sharing what I had been taught.

It's just that the "low-fat" mantra is based on inaccurate conventional wisdom ... what Peter, the young and emotionally disappointed doctor on the TED video was trying to get across to the audience.

FAT does not make people fat ... metabolic syndrome makes people fat ... and the modern FDA approved food pyramid propaganda (grain-based carb, low-fat, and "balanced" diet) makes people have metabolic syndrome. Then they add the calories in / calories out farce to back their corporate propaganda up with science (First Law of Thermodynamics) ... but human metabolism is much more complex than burning food calories in a laboratory calorimeter.

So in summary, I am disagreeing with what your "dieticians" and doctors are teaching you. Most of them have absolutely no clue because they follow a deterministic reductionist approach to human nutrition rather than a holistic approach.

[eeckel]

This is a timely thread for me. I have recently have been relieved of a lot of stress. My aunt who I loved dearly and cared for passed away and i no longer have the stress of caing for her. I've also given a years notice that I'm retiring from my full time job. For the first time in decades I can concentrate on my own health.

My doctor recommended a diet that is primarily vegetables, lean meats, with fruits and carbs that are low on the glycemic index. Type 2 diabetes runs in my family so my doc really emphasized learning about he glycemic index. My program is working well. I feel energetic and I've lost 11 pounds. I also walk 10,000 steps each day. That feels good too. I found a free pedometer app that runs on my smart phone. It's called "moves". I reccomen it to any one looking for an easy to use pedometer.

The odd thing is that before beginning my finess program I was averaging 2.5 AHI at night and now it's 3.5. Why would I be having more apneas?

[DreamStalker]

People just don't get it!

You don't fear the saturated fats ... you don't count carbs ... you don't learn the glycemic index ... you just avoid the carbs as much as possible.

It's simple ... just eat fresh organic meats and vegetables (mostly leafy types) and significantly limit the fruits choosing instead berries, tomatoes, and peppers ... avoid liquid oils, sugars, and ALL grains.

I give up!

Stay ignorant, fat, and unhealthy if you prefer ... Listen to the doctors and dieticians and bless them with job security.

[49er]

People just don't get it!

You don't fear the saturated fats ... you don't count carbs ... you don't learn the glycemic index ... you just avoid the carbs as much as possible.

It's simple ... just eat fresh organic meats and vegetables (mostly leafy types) and significantly limit the fruits choosing instead berries, tomatoes, and peppers ... avoid liquid oils, sugars, and ALL grains.

I give up!

Stay ignorant, fat, and unhealthy if you prefer ... Listen to the doctors and dieticians and bless them with job security.

Dreamstalker, I appreciate your passion and mostly agree with you on health issues. But if Eeckel is doing well on the diet, who are we to say she should be doing something different.

I am concerned that others on the plan may not be succeeding due to the advise of the doctors and will be falsely pegged as not trying hard enough. But that is another issue.

Also, Eeckel might want to keep in mind that if she plateaus at some point or finds the diet hard to consider adding more fat. She might need to find a more fat friendly doctor for support.

Finally, keep in mind that not everyone can completely cut out carbs and do better eating something like a sweet potato. Everybody responds differently.

49er

[49er]

It has only been one day but I am finding that taking 400mg of Magnesium Glycinate per day is greatly cutting down on my carb cravings. Something to consider taking if you find this is an issue for you.

49er

[RestedRebel]

People just don't get it!

You don't fear the saturated fats ... you don't count carbs ... you don't learn the glycemic index ... you just avoid the carbs as much as possible.

It's simple ... just eat fresh organic meats and vegetables (mostly leafy types) and significantly limit the fruits choosing instead berries, tomatoes, and peppers ... avoid liquid oils, sugars, and ALL grains.

I give up!

Stay ignorant, fat, and unhealthy if you prefer ... Listen to the doctors and dieticians and bless them with job security.

I do understand and don't disagree with you. Just sharing what I'm doing in my program for the time being. Once I'm into maintenance, vegetables are considered to be 'free.' Right now I'm in ketosis and can't do that, but believe me, I will be eating vegetables, fruits, and meat. I won't eat bacon because of its salt content, and I won't eat pizza because of its bread and high sodium content.

Where I have a problem is with my husband who is a Type II diabetic, controlling his insulin with pills. He eats bread, candy instead of fruit, won't eat vegetables, likes high cholesterol items, does not exercise, and eats chips or anything he likes in small portions. I've talked to the dieticians and they tell me that sugar is sugar, and although the candy isn't nutritious, as long as he eats it in small amounts and is controlling his insulin, not to worry. I do worry, though.

[Janknitz]

Where I have a problem is with my husband who is a Type II diabetic, controlling his insulin with pills. He eats bread, candy instead of fruit, won't eat vegetables, likes high cholesterol items, does not exercise, and eats chips or anything he likes in small portions. I've talked to the dieticians and they tell me that sugar is sugar, and although the candy isn't nutritious, as long as he eats it in small amounts and is controlling his insulin, not to worry. I do worry, though.

Yes, you are right to worry. That sugar is going to kill him. Meanwhile, the dietitians continue to fear fat. If your husband had enough good (saturated and monounsaturated) fat on board, he'd be a lot better off and have fewer cravings for the carbage. Just use more insulin--what idiots!!!

[RestedRebel]

No, the dietician doesn't agree with my husband's food choices, but she also agrees that I can't force him to eat right. It's his choice.

And, once I'm off my diet, if I want a steak, I'll have it. I do know that I never ate enough protein, thanks to my mother who taught me that protein was to be avoided. Now I know that it is sugar that needs to be avoided, not protein, not fat in moderation. At least I'm still young enough that I'll be able to live a longer and healthier lifestyle with a better quality of life. I have to stop worrying and complaining about what my husband eats and doesn't eat if it is his choice to do that. Hard to do, but that's what I have to do.

[Loreena]

I think I've suggested it before but you need back off on the hardcore exercise. It is unnecessary unless you're a professional or competing athlete and actually detrimental to your goal. You are way better off spending the daily 3 hours just walking (low intensity exercise, not hardcore -- you should be able to easily carry on a conversation while you exercise) ... maybe add 30 minutes of very strenuous slow-motion body-weight exercise (pushups, pullups, squats, and lunges moving as slowly as possible like a sloth/tortise -- unable to carry on a conversation because you are huffing and puffing and focusing hard on the form of your body movements) once a week (check out Doug McGuff).

Thanks for your response! I should say that I do mostly hiking, only getting on the bike when my feet hurt (probably from the extra weight), and I hike slow enough to enjoy listening to my favorite conservative talkshows (Mark Levin and Michael Savage). All this exercise is "hardcore" for me, I should have clarified, and not necessarily the exertion of it. I'm 48. Keep all your tips coming, DS. You're terrific!

[avi123]

Can prickly pear cactus help with diabetes?

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&site ... UcLKXoHgHg

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/prickl ... THOD=print


Some preliminary evidence shows that prickly pear cactus can decrease blood sugar levels in people with type 2 diabetes. Research also suggests that prickly pear cactus extract may lessen the unpleasant effects of a hangover. However, more research is needed to confirm these benefits.

[49er]

Here is an article in the NY Times about Dr. Attia and the issues discussed in the TED talk.

http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/07/1 ... ss/?src=me

I was struck by this exert:

“I probably spent a lot of my time in medicine judging people who I thought brought conditions on themselves,” he said in an interview on Thursday, “without thinking, ‘Maybe I need to walk a mile in that person’s shoes. There’s probably a reason this person lived the life that they did, and maybe I have a privilege that they didn’t have.’”

Sadly, I am not surprised as I think many doctors (not all) are quite judgmental. Kudos to him for admitting something like this.

49er

[Slartybartfast]

Great video. One more datum point showing us that the official nutritional paradigm may need to be rethought.

Thanks for posting it.