Philips Respironics System One question

[hyperlexis]

Sorry, I was imprecise.

What does the 60 series have with respect to the humidifier?

I'm getting closer to the actual question I wanted to ask.

Suppose I have a series 60 but no heated hose.

What humidifier options are available to me?

(I know - it takes a long time for me to find out what I want. )

If you have a non-heated-hose 60 model I think you can actually buy an upgrade kit that allows you to retrofit the humidifier lid to accept a heated hose system. The retrofit is a factory Respironics system so it should work just fine. It comes with a new lid (you pop off the old one) and a higher wattage power brick and, I think, the new heated hose.

Or just leave your thing as it is if you are not getting huge amounts of condensation in your hose/mask. The automatic humidity control seemed to work ok for me even in a cold room and even without a heated hose. (And it also also worked good with a heated hose....). All in all I probably prefer a heated hose because the air is a tad warmer and a tad more humid than otherwise possible with a standard hose in winter. Nothing major but a bit better.

[StuUnderPressure]

I can't understand why people would want to use anything other than Automatic humidity if available.

I agree.

I have the S9 AutoSet, but I use ONLY the Auto Setting.

My own biased opinion is that I can't MANUALLY achieve what the technology can do for me automatically - so, I don't even try.

[archangle]

I can't understand why people would want to use anything other than Automatic humidity if available.

I agree.

I have the S9 AutoSet, but I use ONLY the Auto Setting.

My own biased opinion is that I can't MANUALLY achieve what the technology can do for me automatically - so, I don't even try.

Some people find they can't get enough humidity with the auto setting, but they can with classic mode. Possibly with the consequence of some rainout or condensation.

[RoRo]

Sorry, I was imprecise.

What does the 60 series have with respect to the humidifier?

I'm getting closer to the actual question I wanted to ask.

Suppose I have a series 60 but no heated hose.

What humidifier options are available to me?

(I know - it takes a long time for me to find out what I want. )

If you have a non-heated-hose 60 model I think you can actually buy an upgrade kit that allows you to retrofit the humidifier lid to accept a heated hose system. The retrofit is a factory Respironics system so it should work just fine. It comes with a new lid (you pop off the old one) and a higher wattage power brick and, I think, the new heated hose.

Or just leave your thing as it is if you are not getting huge amounts of condensation in your hose/mask. The automatic humidity control seemed to work ok for me even in a cold room and even without a heated hose. (And it also also worked good with a heated hose....). All in all I probably prefer a heated hose because the air is a tad warmer and a tad more humid than otherwise possible with a standard hose in winter. Nothing major but a bit better.

I originally had the non-heated hose 460 model. I was having rainout with the non-heated, so I upgraded it using the retro pack. It came with the new lid, 80-watt power brick and heated hose. Now, now more rainout. Took less than 5 minutes to do the upgrade. First disconnect the power supply. Pop off the old lid, connect the wire on the new lid (idiot proof - one way connector) to the humidifier, snap on the new lid, swap out the power supply and you're good to go....only one thing about the upgrade....with the heated hose, you no longer have a full 360 degree swivel with the hose. It's limited to about 270 degrees, but that is not really any problem...

[cam1]

Here is a copy of the page 10 TEXT mode programming indicating the SYSTEM ONE humidification (3rd one down)

Flex-----------------------------1 2 3
Heated Tube humidification---on off
SYSTEM ONE humidification---on off
Humidifier----------------------0 1 2 3 4 5
Humidity level------------------1 2 3
Tube temperature--------------0 1 2 3 4 5
Ramp Time----------------------0:00 - 0:45
Ramp start----------------------4.0 - (CPAP pres)
Tubing type---------------------15 22 15H
SYSTEM ONE resistance--------X1 X2 X3 X4 X5
Auto on--------------------------on off
Auto off--------------------------on off
Mask alert-----------------------on off
Humidifier LED backlight--------on off
Silent mode----------------------on off
Language-------------------------EN DE ES FR IT BR
------------------------------------DK FI NO SW O

OK...so the third line down indicated SYSTEM ONE humidification but it no longer appears with the heated hose. It isn't visible in the Clinicians menu either. Is this the case?

[nelamvr6]

Sorry, I was imprecise.

What does the 60 series have with respect to the humidifier?

I'm getting closer to the actual question I wanted to ask.

Suppose I have a series 60 but no heated hose.

What humidifier options are available to me?

(I know - it takes a long time for me to find out what I want. )

If you have a non-heated-hose 60 model I think you can actually buy an upgrade kit that allows you to retrofit the humidifier lid to accept a heated hose system. The retrofit is a factory Respironics system so it should work just fine. It comes with a new lid (you pop off the old one) and a higher wattage power brick and, I think, the new heated hose.

Or just leave your thing as it is if you are not getting huge amounts of condensation in your hose/mask. The automatic humidity control seemed to work ok for me even in a cold room and even without a heated hose. (And it also also worked good with a heated hose....). All in all I probably prefer a heated hose because the air is a tad warmer and a tad more humid than otherwise possible with a standard hose in winter. Nothing major but a bit better.

I installed the upgrade kit the other day, it was super simple! Highly recommended!

[Pugsy]

OK...so the third line down indicated SYSTEM ONE humidification but it no longer appears with the heated hose. It isn't visible in the Clinicians menu either. Is this the case?

If you use the heated hose humidification system you can't use the System One humidification system because it won't work with it...so you don't have that choice available. 2 separate humidification systems.
I suspect if you removed the heated hose and used a regular non heated hose that you would then have that missing option show up in the menu

[nelamvr6]

OK...so the third line down indicated SYSTEM ONE humidification but it no longer appears with the heated hose. It isn't visible in the Clinicians menu either. Is this the case?

If you use the heated hose humidification system you can't use the System One humidification system because it won't work with it...so you don't have that choice available. 2 separate humidification systems.
I suspect if you removed the heated hose and used a regular non heated hose that you would then have that missing option show up in the menu

I can verify that this is true.

It's actually a pretty nice system. Items in the menu that don't apply to the type hose that you're using are automatically unavailable.

I just wish there was a guide to exactly what the numbers mean.

Under Humidity Level, with the heated hose, I have the option of 1,2 or 3. Do those numbers translate to a % humidity? Likewise under Tube Temperature, I have 0 through 5. I understand that 0 means off, i.e. no heat. But do the other numbers translate to a specific temperature?

I guess I'm being picky. All I really need to know is that 2 is higher humidity than 1, and that 3 is higher temperature than 2, but I'm really curious.

[Pugsy]

I guess I'm being picky. All I really need to know is that 2 is higher humidity than 1, and that 3 is higher temperature than 2, but I'm really curious.

You are correct with your guesses.
I have documentation somewhere...give me a little bit to find it.
I don't remember where I put it.

[nelamvr6]

I guess I'm being picky. All I really need to know is that 2 is higher humidity than 1, and that 3 is higher temperature than 2, but I'm really curious.

You are correct with your guesses.
I have documentation somewhere...give me a little bit to find it.
I don't remember where I put it.

Thanks! No hurry, it's not even close to bedtime yet!

[Pugsy]

No hurry, it's not even close to bedtime yet!

Yeah but I had a rough night last night so my memory isn't so great and if I don't look now..then I will for sure forget.

I found this on the product spec page.
System One Relative Humidity:
Heat tubing
Setting 1 = 70%
Setting 2 = 80%
Setting 3 = 90%

I haven't found a temperature guideline for 0 through whatever except 0 turns it off..but 1 is barely warm..2 is warmer...3 is even warmer. etc. etc...

You set the air temperature that is comfortable...and then set the humidity that is comfortable and the machine tries to maintain that humidity at that air temp. One can use cooler temps and still maintain higher humidity levels...in the past cooler temps meant less humidity..period.

Heated Tubing Temperature Range: 16º to 32º C (60º to 89º)
I did find this....roughly 60 to 89 degrees...I would assume setting of 1 is 60....highest setting would be 89 degrees...divide up the other settings to figure out rough estimate...if you have to have a set number.

[nelamvr6]

No hurry, it's not even close to bedtime yet!

Yeah but I had a rough night last night so my memory isn't so great and if I don't look now..then I will for sure forget.

I found this on the product spec page.
System One Relative Humidity:
Heat tubing
Setting 1 = 70%
Setting 2 = 80%
Setting 3 = 90%

I haven't found a temperature guideline for 0 through whatever except 0 turns it off..but 1 is barely warm..2 is warmer...3 is even warmer. etc. etc...

You set the air temperature that is comfortable...and then set the humidity that is comfortable and the machine tries to maintain that humidity at that air temp. One can use cooler temps and still maintain higher humidity levels...in the past cooler temps meant less humidity..period.

Heated Tubing Temperature Range: 16º to 32º C (60º to 89º)
I did find this....roughly 60 to 89 degrees...I would assume setting of 1 is 60....highest setting would be 89 degrees...divide up the other settings to figure out rough estimate...if you have to have a set number.

Thanks a bunch Pugsy!

[pikov22]

So if I added a heated tube to my system (see below), would I use even more water each night?

I'm waking up to essentially an empty reservoir as it is.

Thanks.

[cam1]

Thanks all for your replies. Much appreciated.
I also wanted to say that I am very, very pleased with this machine. I've tried the Resmed S9 and have to admit that this unit is far superior in my opinion.
I know it is a subjective statement but in my case it seems to excel in a number of areas.
My Fisher Paykel 604 was also a great machine but granted a bit bulky. Still works like it was new!

[cam1]

So if I added a heated tube to my system (see below), would I use even more water each night?

I'm waking up to essentially an empty reservoir as it is.

Thanks.

I have my heated hose set at 2 and humidity level also set at 2 and after about 8 hours sleep, I have approximately 1/3 of the water left in the reservoir. Sometimes it may be as much as half full when I get up, but very rarely. I guess it all depends on the humidity level in your home. I presently have the humidifier attached to the furnace at 40 percent humidity. Not sure what will happen in the summer months when the A/C is running. I was thinking about dropping the humidity level to one on the machine and see what happens. Although It may be too dry at this setting. Then again, I have read posts where people report hardly any water is used and they don't have to refill for a couple of days. Perhaps they live in tropical climates with high humidity rates.
Have you tried dropping it to 1?