BiPAP Cures Aerophagia

General Discussion on any topic relating to CPAP and/or Sleep Apnea.
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Post by rested gal » Mon May 15, 2006 2:59 pm

Yeah, I don't have a degree in engineering. I get some of the terms wrong. Some of the concepts, too.

I also messed up when I edited my post on the other page, resulting in a second version that looks like an exact repeat, but isn't. However I think you were going by the second version, so that's fine.

Oh, by the way, I didn't say "instaneous"...I said "almost instanteous". A minor distinction, but one that does make a subtle difference. And I know you like subtlety, you naughty boy, you! "Naughty" is such a fun word, isn't it?
dsm wrote: the absolute best place to sense that [pressure] is at the mask end - just as PB do. That is not a trivial flip of a coin design decision (ask yourself which end of the tube has the OSA, the user or the machine).
The absolute best place? Well, perhaps you might contact the engineers at the major cpap manufacturers. If they'd talk with you. Ask them about PB's choice to use a separate sensor line running up through the main air hose, and the choice by ResMed, Respironics (and most others) to not use a separate sensor line.

I agree that it's not a trivial flip of a coin design decision, so ask yourself why two major companies as heavily into designing cpap machines as ResMed and Respironics are, chose to design theirs with no separate sensor line running up through the main air hose. Or why another major company, Puritan Bennett, chose to use a separate line. Perhaps it's because the machines are designed to effectively sense and respond to whatever they need to sense, either way?

I decided to use the word "whatever" -- sounds techie enough to me, even if not in engineer-ese.
dsm wrote:Your comments on this aspect reflect a non-technical mind and that is fine. You aren't expected to have such mechanical insights. Leave that to the engineers.

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Post by dsm » Mon May 15, 2006 4:04 pm

RG

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I agree that it's not a trivial flip of a coin design decision, so ask yourself why two major companies as heavily into designing cpap machines as ResMed and Respironics are, chose to design theirs with no separate sensor line running up through the main air hose. Or why another major company, Puritan Bennett, chose to use a separate line. Perhaps it's because the machines are designed to effectively sense and respond to whatever they need to sense, either way?
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C-O-S-T

Cheers as always DSM

PS
Re spelling, am not so good at that (as you so gently keep reminding me) but as for the last emphasized word in your post, I do recognize it when it is in practice

DSM

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Post by rested gal » Mon May 15, 2006 4:40 pm

dsm wrote:
C-O-S-T



PS
Re spelling, am not so good at that (as you so gently keep reminding me) but as for the last emphasized word in your post, I do recognize it when it is in practice

DSM
Pennies and fractions thereof, do add up when it comes to a bit of silicone added to thousands and thousands of hoses. Yes...could be a reason.

Cost aside, though, do you think you could use your charm and engineering language to find out from the engineers at ResMed and/or Respironics if their machines, without using a separate sensor line, can sense "whatever" needs to be sensed, and do "whatever" needs to be done, as fast as the PB machines do?

I think they can....and do. But whatta' I know!? I'm not an engineer.

Actually, I was not poking fun at your spelling. U spill gud.

"Can we spell _____?" was just a playful turn of phrase. Better that than grabbing a frying pan!
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Post by dsm » Mon May 15, 2006 5:06 pm

RG,

Once I have enough useful data on the Bipap S/T with Resmed F/F mask issue I am observing, I will approach both organisations for their advice / comments.

I had taken my Bipap Pro 2 for evaluation to Mayo Heathcare (Australian agent for Respironics) so I have visited their office & also know where the main office of Resmed is so both are easily accessible although I will initially write to them.

Cheers

DSM

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Post by rested gal » Mon May 15, 2006 5:12 pm

dsm wrote: (I guess I will need a rare earth magnet in my pocket to deflect that frying pan )
Nah, just a simple tinfoil hat will do.

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Post by dsm » Mon May 15, 2006 5:35 pm

rested gal wrote: <snip>

Nah, just a simple tinfoil hat will do.
LOL !!!

Tinfoil hattery vs pollyana perception -

luv DSM
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Post by rested gal » Mon May 15, 2006 6:36 pm

LOL!! You naughty boy. You did it again!

I think I'm gonna have to return your ring!

You can have the last word, darlin', if you want it. I gotta go do something useful, like....hmmmm?....bake cookies.