The three P's to success.

[ChicagoGranny]

CG: I knew someone would run with that!

So! You set me up.

Men end plenty of sentences with prepositions. At my age it is hard to get a man to end a sentence with a proposition.

[Guest]

and they begin to eat their own

Chunky, That thing about prepositions is a myth, not a rule. From Oxford Dictionaries:

[Guest]

Sorry for the incorrect, wait let me spell check this to make sure its good enough for all the Harverd and Yale folks who seem to want to bash my writting ability. I am new to this and I'll go ahead and make the joke for most and new to writting. I was only trying to help and feel really hurt by most. I was picked on in school growing up for being in the slow class. This is just confrimation that bullys don't grow up and it only gets worse as you get older. I have passion for what I do and care for everyone I come in contact with regarding CPAP. I thought this was a place to help!!!!!!!!!!!!!

but then with the purposeful typos and now hosting your very own pity party
i wouldnt doubt if you are the same persons mentioned in
"Wanting to make the DME world Better" and "Surly Abond - hoax created by a cpaptalk member"
Amanda
Also Posted As:
(chrisp)
(gischrae)
aka Surly Abond
now CPAP101 ?

what a gullible crowd we have here

[Sir NoddinOff]

Sorry for the incorrect, wait let me spell check this to make sure its good enough for all the Harverd and Yale folks who seem to want to bash my writting ability. I am new to this and I'll go ahead and make the joke for most and new to writting. I was only trying to help and feel really hurt by most. I was picked on in school growing up for being in the slow class. This is just confrimation that bullys don't grow up and it only gets worse as you get older. I have passion for what I do and care for everyone I come in contact with regarding CPAP. I thought this was a place to help!!!!!!!!!!!!!

but then with the purposeful typos and now hosting your very own pity party
i wouldnt doubt if you are the same persons mentioned in
"Wanting to make the DME world Better" and "Surly Abond - hoax created by a cpaptalk member"
Amanda
Also Posted As:
(chrisp)
(gischrae)
aka Surly Abond
now CPAP101 ?
what a gullible crowd we have here

Yup, I think we got punked again. I didn't detect any rancor in any of the initial suggestions directed at the OP about creating better more understandable posts. Most were very mild, tho one or two were a bit sarcastic. What tipped it over the edge for me was the OP resorting to name calling (which none of the critics resorted to), namely that any positive input on creating better posts was the product 'high school bullies'. The real rancor was with the OP and that person threw the first stone as far as I can tell. Still, IMO, this punking was very expertly executed and kinda fun... so I'm sure we'll see the OP back in a different guise very soon! It does take us away from our mission of helping people but none-the-less, the masses must be entertained.

[ems]

Yup, I think we got punked again.

I don't think so. Too much time and energy put into the person's original post. Why would someone do that if he/she was trying to "punk" this forum?

[pats]

Yup, I think we got punked again.

I don't think so. Too much time and energy put into the person's original post. Why would someone do that if he/she was trying to "punk" this forum?

It is also important to consider the very different costs of being wrong in the two directions. If we treat a real poster harshly, and chase them away, we hurt someone unnecessarily and cost ourselves that person's insights. Politeness to a fake only makes them look worse, a cost I have trouble caring about.

[49er]

Yup, I think we got punked again.

I don't think so. Too much time and energy put into the person's original post. Why would someone do that if he/she was trying to "punk" this forum?

It is also important to consider the very different costs of being wrong in the two directions. If we treat a real poster harshly, and chase them away, we hurt someone unnecessarily and cost ourselves that person's insights. Politeness to a fake only makes them look worse, a cost I have trouble caring about.

Totally agree pats.

Dori said,

@CPAP101, I'm so sorry your feelings were hurt, that's what I was afraid of and I don't blame you. One of our posters said something about being anonymous makes it easy to bully but I wonder how these same people behave in person? I hope you'll stay with us, I'm sure you have a lot to offer.

I have often wondered after being horrified at the mean spiritedness of several posts to newcomers if these same folks would say the same things they say on boards to people they just met in person. I seriously doubt it.

Anyway, fortunately, there are wonderful folks on this board and as other people have said, I hope newcomers can get past the nasty remarks and keep that in mind. But if you leave, I can't say I blame you. Just know that not everyone on this board condones the nastiness that wants to roar its ugly head.

49er

[The Choker]

I didn't detect any rancor in any of the initial suggestions directed at the OP about creating better more understandable posts. Most were very mild, tho one or two were a bit sarcastic. What tipped it over the edge for me was the OP resorting to name calling (which none of the critics resorted to), namely that any positive input on creating better posts was the product 'high school bullies'. The real rancor was with the OP and that person threw the first stone as far as I can tell.

Now there is one voice of reason.

The people rushing to defend CPAP101 convinced me that she had been viciously attacked. But when I read your comment and I went back to the start of this thread and read all the comments again, I found you are absolutely correct. There were no attacks at all on CPAP101, only straightforward and justified corrections of her writing style.

Much ado about nothing.

[Guest]

I have often wondered after being horrified at the mean spiritedness of several posts to newcomers if these same folks would say the same things they say on boards to people they just met in person. I seriously doubt it.

if you want to see how mean some folks here can be try posting as a guest
the truly mean spirit comes out

[The Choker]

the nasty remarks

Please specify what you consider "nasty remarks".

As far as saying it in person, I personally would and have said things like this (listed below) in person.

Break that up into a few paragraphs and I'll definately read it

CPAK?

I also don't read stuff written by the monoparagraph crowd.

Just felt we were being lectured under the guise of being helped.

The writing style is horrible. If you are going to spend the time to do this, use a good style including paragraphs and spellcheck.

I was once a sleep-deprived newbie and would not have had the patience to read and understand what you wrote. In fact, I still don't.

Good intentions are not sufficient.

There's room for both. It's useful information kindly offered, and some attention to a few details in presentation would make it easier to read and more likely to be read.

Thanks for taking the time to write.

I don't think the good members here should tolerate blocks of prose that are written that poorly.

But do what you want.

sometimes re-reading before you post is even better than spell check
alright always better

sometimes reading what others have posted and copying their style is helpful
esp if you have a lot to say

see how white space helps the readers follow along?

developing your own writing style does not always work

if you have thin skin this prob isnt the place for you

All very mild.

Where is the beef?

[CPAP101]

I want to first start by thanking everyone who has taken the time to read my post. I Also would like to thank everyone for the comments as well. I now realize that constructive criticism is sometimes hard to take when you are so very new to a forum such as "CPAP talk". I have to admit I got a little excited and did not take the time to read my post before actually posting it, bad idea!!! CPAP to me is more than a lifestyle. I just need to slow down a bit and share my belief in a more effective way. KEEP IT SIMPLE Jason is really what I got out of all the comments.

[pats]

I want to first start by thanking everyone who has taken the time to read my post. I Also would like to thank everyone for the comments as well. I now realize that constructive criticism is sometimes hard to take when you are so very new to a forum such as "CPAP talk". I have to admit I got a little excited and did not take the time to read my post before actually posting it, bad idea!!! CPAP to me is more than a lifestyle. I just need to slow down a bit and share my belief in a more effective way. KEEP IT SIMPLE Jason is really what I got out of all the comments.

I'm glad to see you back, and hope you hang around.

[nanwilson]

We have a few posters on here in the past six or so months that think they are the saviours of people they "think" have been wronged, even if the "wrong" is in their heads alone. We don't need cpap police or language police or any kind of police on this forum....we seem to have done just fine without the "blame game" all these years. Sometimes some patients do need a boot in the butt to get out of their "poor me" attitude, but these cpap police think that no one needs an attitude change except the folks that are trying to help. .............I suppose now I will get a thrashing for posting an unpopular opinion by the cpap etiquette police .
Cheers
Nan

[CPAP101]

PRACTICE
PATIENCE
PERSEVERANCE


Getting use to Life with CPAP isn't the easiest, but if you follow theses three simple steps it may be easier than you think. Working with CPAP's for now 11years and having one now myself has opened my eyes to CPAP more than I could of ever imagined. Like almost everyone we are "CREATURES OF HABIT". We have a routine that now is about to change and in some cases in a dramatic way. It is only human nature for us to resist change.


So instead of trying to use it all night the first night, take some time to get to know your equipment.


We are dealing with 4 elements that together create this CPAK, which is now our CPAP Kit. We are going to be sleeping with this kit now, PRACTICE is key!!!!!!! Take the time to get to know your mask and you may want to take it easy the first few days so that your nose doesn't get to sore. This is a common side effect that many of us face due to the fact our face is not use to having pressure over it unless we have wear glasses. It is important to ease ourself into this so we don't get develope any pressure sores, which are more common an the bridge of the nose. You ever see a guy walk in to gym, head for the bench press and max out, no way he will tear a muscle. He first warms up and then after a few minutes starts light and works his way up. I had to practice in a similar way. I called it my "MASK WORKOUT". Most units are compact and light and can be moved, i preferred the living room on my side table next to my chair. You know the one no one is allowed to sit in but me. We all have a place in our home that makes us comfortable. So what I did was hook everything up on the table and put my mask on while I was watching ESPN. I sat there with the mask on, once a commercial came on I took it off and repeated the steps for 30min. What I found is that after each repetition it got a litter easier.


The second thing we must do is remain PATIENT. Rome wasn't built in one day and its only realistic to think we are not going to get use to our CPAP either in one day. The first week or two your going to have some RESTLESS nights. Keep in mind our body is trying to adjust to this new lifestyle and like getting a new job there is going to be a learning curb. I found that the first week I slept with it some night i tossed other night I had anxiety because I wanted to sleep with it but I just needed time adjust to having all this on my face. So if you find yourself tossing from left to right and anxiety hits, take it off and try again the next night. This allowed me to get use to it faster.

Last but not least is PERSEVERANCE[/b]
We have to weather the proverbial storm, this to shall pass. Recent studies have found that over 50% of CPAP users quit in the first 3 days of getting there devices. The number one reason is mask discomfort. So if you find that the mask you were given at the time of setup is not working, you do have options. Most places have a 14day trial period on mask's and will allow you to change. I went through 4 diffrent CPAP mask's before I found the right one.
THINK OF THE MASK AS THE SHOE FOR THE FACE..
Most of us try on several so that we can find the right comfort, and fit for our feet. Have the provider show you several types. Try them on and sit there for a few minutes. You might be surprised by doing this how much trouble it will save you for the future. Also most insurances will allow you to replace your mask every three months, take full advantage of this and it does not mean you have to stick with the same one. try different styles, give yourself option's

Closing: Your not alone, this is a process not an event. Take your time to get use to get. Once you do look forward to more energy, improved health, happy spouse, and most of all a good night sleep!!!!

Sincerely,
"The CPAP GUY"

[ChicagoGranny]

I want to first start by thanking everyone who has taken the time to read my post. I Also would like to thank everyone for the comments as well. I now realize that constructive criticism is sometimes hard to take when you are so very new to a forum such as "CPAP talk". I have to admit I got a little excited and did not take the time to read my post before actually posting it, bad idea!!! CPAP to me is more than a lifestyle. I just need to slow down a bit and share my belief in a more effective way. KEEP IT SIMPLE Jason is really what I got out of all the comments.

I like your attitude.

All the best to you and yours,