Hi Everyone! I was wondering if anyone on this board has recommendations for lubricating nasal pillows. I suffer from nasal driness and also have a tough time maintaining a good seal through the whole night.
My coworker, who also uses CPAP told me I should lubricate the pillow where it contacts my nose and suggested vaseline or KY-Jelly. Does anyone have recommendations on this? Which is better? Are there other alternatives?
Thanks in Advance!
Recommendations for Lubricating Nasal Pillows
You might find some ideas in some of the recent "stuffy nose" threads or the "Vaseline and Nasal Pillows: not a good idea" thread. I haven't started APAP yet, (Equipment is on the way), but stuffy noses seems to be a problem for a lot of people.
As to getting a good seal, I've been following the Marine Products Mask Seal thread with great interest. It was last posted to very early this AM or late yesterday.
Good luck. Oh, and don't forget the search button at the top of each page.
As to getting a good seal, I've been following the Marine Products Mask Seal thread with great interest. It was last posted to very early this AM or late yesterday.
Good luck. Oh, and don't forget the search button at the top of each page.
Linda B.
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Anyone looked into this?
http://www.roezit.com/
I was given a small 2cc blister pack from my DME. They don't carry it but seem to be recommending it. I'm only finding a few online places that carry the product, but I have a 1 oz tube on the way.
I'll let you know how it works out, but I was wondering if anyone else had tried this.
http://www.roezit.com/
I was given a small 2cc blister pack from my DME. They don't carry it but seem to be recommending it. I'm only finding a few online places that carry the product, but I have a 1 oz tube on the way.
I'll let you know how it works out, but I was wondering if anyone else had tried this.
RoEzit
I use it and I like it. It really makes any abrasion or soreness on my nostrils feel better. I also like to put it inside my nose. It just feels good. It also helps you get a good seal with your nasal pillows but that effect wears off sometime in the middle of the night.
Maryb
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[quote="Another Guest"]Sleepy do a search. This topic has been covered ad nauseum on this board.
It has been well established and accepted here that vaseline will damage your nasal pillows and pose a potential health risk to your lungs. I'd recommend that you use KY or, alternately, Ayr Gel.
good luck.
It has been well established and accepted here that vaseline will damage your nasal pillows and pose a potential health risk to your lungs. I'd recommend that you use KY or, alternately, Ayr Gel.
good luck.
Sleepy,Guest says:
This topic has been covered ad nauseum on this board.
It has been well established and accepted here that vaseline will damage your nasal pillows and pose a potential health risk to your lungs. I'd recommend that you use KY or, alternately, Ayr Gel.
Don't take this guest at face value. Although he/she SAYS there are health risks, he/she is just about the only one here who believes it. These risks have NOT been "well established and accepted here".
We have one or more guests who like/s to post as though they know everything, and sometimes they are just stirring up trouble by saying shocking things. Anyway, after you read the posts for a while you will begin to see that sometimes guests are reliable and other times they are just pontificating.
Moogy
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started bipap therapy 3/8/2006
pre-treatment AHI 102.5;
Now on my third auto bipap machine, pressures 16-20.5
started bipap therapy 3/8/2006
pre-treatment AHI 102.5;
Now on my third auto bipap machine, pressures 16-20.5
Here is a rundown on the past week of postings on vaseline (also see the posting with"last words" in the subject- the one on nasal pillows and vaseline has a lot of unnecessarily negative info on vaseline:
Potential for lipoid pneumonitis-If you apply it THINLY to the area in contact with your pillows it is helpful and would not get into your lungs. Lots of people use oily skin care products for dry skin on the same area you need it for the pillows. If you stuff your nose with vaseline, it gets warm & runny, and you happen to sniff it back into your nose, throat, and lungs it isn't good for you. KY jelly and the water based stuff dries out way before the night is over. You know how you'll use it-figure out your risk.
Deterioration of pillows-Some sources say petroleum based products deteriorate the material in masks and pillows. They don't say how rapidly it occurs or at what temperature. I don't know. You may not have insurance and want your interface to last a long time so decide not to use vaseline. The same thing supposedly happens if you don't wash your skin oil off the mask every AM. Lots of people here have used vaseline and haven't had issues with mask deterioration during the useful life of their masks. You can easily experiment.
Some one brought up the risk of using vaseline on the nose at the same time as using oxygen and having a fire in the nostrils. Besides being a poor way to trim the nasal hairs-it's not smart to smoke or get near an open flame while on oxygen (with or without vaseline). Oxygen & vaseline do not spontaneously combust on/in the nose. It needs a flame to get it going. The vaseline in this case adds fuel to the fire.
If you want something "natural"-try looking at the assortment of lip balms & Badger balm products at a health food store. They can also be spread around the "rim" of your nose in a thin layer. Use some sort of moisturizer during the day-not just once a day when you are putting on your interface.
Potential for lipoid pneumonitis-If you apply it THINLY to the area in contact with your pillows it is helpful and would not get into your lungs. Lots of people use oily skin care products for dry skin on the same area you need it for the pillows. If you stuff your nose with vaseline, it gets warm & runny, and you happen to sniff it back into your nose, throat, and lungs it isn't good for you. KY jelly and the water based stuff dries out way before the night is over. You know how you'll use it-figure out your risk.
Deterioration of pillows-Some sources say petroleum based products deteriorate the material in masks and pillows. They don't say how rapidly it occurs or at what temperature. I don't know. You may not have insurance and want your interface to last a long time so decide not to use vaseline. The same thing supposedly happens if you don't wash your skin oil off the mask every AM. Lots of people here have used vaseline and haven't had issues with mask deterioration during the useful life of their masks. You can easily experiment.
Some one brought up the risk of using vaseline on the nose at the same time as using oxygen and having a fire in the nostrils. Besides being a poor way to trim the nasal hairs-it's not smart to smoke or get near an open flame while on oxygen (with or without vaseline). Oxygen & vaseline do not spontaneously combust on/in the nose. It needs a flame to get it going. The vaseline in this case adds fuel to the fire.
If you want something "natural"-try looking at the assortment of lip balms & Badger balm products at a health food store. They can also be spread around the "rim" of your nose in a thin layer. Use some sort of moisturizer during the day-not just once a day when you are putting on your interface.
Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof.....Galbraith's Law
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Hi Leslie/Guest,
Down at the bottom of the message board page one, or maybe page two, is my recent query titled "Nasal Gels" with the same info. Check it out. Also, be careful about the Vaseline posts, there has been some monkey business on the board with a Guest posting in a rather inflammatory way. It confuses the issue a bit. Anyway, there are lots of options, good luck!
AII
Down at the bottom of the message board page one, or maybe page two, is my recent query titled "Nasal Gels" with the same info. Check it out. Also, be careful about the Vaseline posts, there has been some monkey business on the board with a Guest posting in a rather inflammatory way. It confuses the issue a bit. Anyway, there are lots of options, good luck!
AII
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I made my decision re: Petroleum Jelly and came down in favor. A small portion on the rim of the nose just can not pose a significant risk IMHO. It needs to get into suspension and be inhaled into the lungs.
It's amusing that krousseau mentioned lip balm. I use it sometimes on my lips for taping. Last night I was considering Vaseline and the only container I had was purchased about 20+ years ago at the beach so I decided to pass. I looked at the lip balm, thought "what a great applicator", examined the contents, "white petroleum jelly" and said - "Ah-hah!"
It worked like a charm. The edge of my nostrils were getting a little sore and I was having trouble with the seal of the pillows on Swift and CL2 so, a quick pass with this purpose built applicator and voila!
SB
It's amusing that krousseau mentioned lip balm. I use it sometimes on my lips for taping. Last night I was considering Vaseline and the only container I had was purchased about 20+ years ago at the beach so I decided to pass. I looked at the lip balm, thought "what a great applicator", examined the contents, "white petroleum jelly" and said - "Ah-hah!"
It worked like a charm. The edge of my nostrils were getting a little sore and I was having trouble with the seal of the pillows on Swift and CL2 so, a quick pass with this purpose built applicator and voila!
SB
(Please read this with a light tone)
Hey...check that out again. Forget that old stuff and come on up to the new age...
that post says if you want a natural product go to the health food store for a lip balm or a Badger product-----organic extra virgin olive oil, castor oil, beeswax, extracts of aloe vera, and new age??? stuff like that. Actually been around a long time.
Anyway it too is an oily prodect not meant to stuff into one's nose just a light coat on the rims of the nares and it doesn't dry out.
Hey...check that out again. Forget that old stuff and come on up to the new age...
that post says if you want a natural product go to the health food store for a lip balm or a Badger product-----organic extra virgin olive oil, castor oil, beeswax, extracts of aloe vera, and new age??? stuff like that. Actually been around a long time.
Anyway it too is an oily prodect not meant to stuff into one's nose just a light coat on the rims of the nares and it doesn't dry out.
Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof.....Galbraith's Law
Peanuts too!!!
Anyone worried about lipoid pneumonitis better stop eating nuts, steak, oily salad dressing, ice cream, etc. They pass within mm of the passage to the lungs. For sure don't eat fatty substances with a CPAP on---double for sure if you have oxygen attached to that little port. And don't light the candles on your buttercream iced birthday cake.
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Thanks for the Advice & Recommendations!
Thanks everyone for all the feedback! This board is great!
Wow, there's a lot of strong views out there on vaseline! I think some people are a little too invested in this issue on BOTH sides. At times, it just seemed ridiculous, like partisan Republicans and Democrats screaming at each other over oil drilling in Alaska.
I recognize that there are good arguments both pro-vaseline and anti-vaseline. I've done a search of this board and others and decided to go with Ayr Gel. That's just my preference based on my own research and conversations.
That's not to say "vaseline is bad for CPAP" or to put down anyone else's choice, or to say "you must do as I do." Just my own choice, decision, and preference. Now, hopefully I won't be attacked as others on this board have been for expressing theirs.
Leslie
Wow, there's a lot of strong views out there on vaseline! I think some people are a little too invested in this issue on BOTH sides. At times, it just seemed ridiculous, like partisan Republicans and Democrats screaming at each other over oil drilling in Alaska.
I recognize that there are good arguments both pro-vaseline and anti-vaseline. I've done a search of this board and others and decided to go with Ayr Gel. That's just my preference based on my own research and conversations.
That's not to say "vaseline is bad for CPAP" or to put down anyone else's choice, or to say "you must do as I do." Just my own choice, decision, and preference. Now, hopefully I won't be attacked as others on this board have been for expressing theirs.
Leslie
