Relationship Between Apnea and Diabetes

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Relationship Between Apnea and Diabetes

Post by sleepyguy1 » Sun Jun 10, 2012 10:55 am

I have sleep apnea and have been on an APAP for about five years.

Six months ago I was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes and put on Metformin. I am trying to figure out if there is a relationship between apnea and diabetes, and was wondering if anyone knows of any articles on this.

First, I know that sleep apnea causes tiredness, which decreases exercise, which causes weight gain, which causes diabetes, so I know that.

I was wondering if there is any other relationship between the two.

The two similar problems I am having are that (1) some days I wake up exhausted like I have not slept half the night, and (2) some days I wake up feeling fine but as soon as I eat ten minutes later I crash and become exhausted. I am trying to figure out if these two things are caused by apnea and/or diabetes.

When you have two medical problems and either could cause the symptoms it is difficult to figure out which is doing it, and I am trying to wondering if there is an interplay between the two, and would appreciate any articles, information or thoughts.

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Re: Relationship Between Apnea and Diabetes

Post by BlackSpinner » Sun Jun 10, 2012 11:39 am

Yes there is a relationship between untreated OSA and type 2 diabetes. But nobody is sure what it is exactly.

Get some good diabetes training with regard to food, exercise and how to treat it.

And make sure your AHI is good.

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Re: Relationship Between Apnea and Diabetes

Post by chunkyfrog » Sun Jun 10, 2012 12:55 pm

I check my blood sugar every morning upon arising.
My diet the day before has a more immediate effect than my quality of sleep.
With good sleep, I can do better the next day.

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Post by Guest » Sun Jun 10, 2012 1:23 pm

Do a Google search on "Sleep Apnea AND Diabetes". Then start reading some of the many links that come up.

Reading your post tells me that you may have inadequate pressure settings in your machine and are eating too many carbohydrates.

Good luck. You're in a large group who share both conditions.


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Re: Relationship Between Apnea and Diabetes

Post by sickwithapnea17 » Sun Jun 10, 2012 9:06 pm

I notice this terrible problem that I am nauseous and can't think after eating a lot of sugar. I also started wheezing after going off of low carb diet/metformin. Metformin definitely helps so I started taking it again today and immediately I could breathe better and think more clearly. It's worth it to get over the nausea side effect. Anyway I'm back to the asv and oxygen and exhausted. I am going to see the endocrinologist soon.

Does diabetes cause brain damage?
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Re: Relationship Between Apnea and Diabetes

Post by Sparky223 » Sun Jun 10, 2012 9:24 pm

How is your testosterone levels?

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Re: Relationship Between Apnea and Diabetes

Post by SleepTechTN » Mon Jun 11, 2012 12:41 am

Try a search for apnea AND insulin resistance.

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Re: Relationship Between Apnea and Diabetes

Post by purple » Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:51 am

Try taking Metformin with the first bite of food. Not to take the pill and take a bite, or take a bite, and take the pill. I can take Metformin in some sugar free pudding, or in oatmeal. Makes no sense why this helps me, but . . .

Yes, Diabetes can cause brain damage.

Perhaps protect your brain, kidneys by focusing on protecting your eyes. Use a product similar to: 'http://www.bausch.com/en/Our-Products/E ... vitamins-2

Beware, not to accept a substitute, like the similar Vitamin supplement that is line with the first AREDS study, but uses the guidelines from the AREDS 2 study.

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Re: Relationship Between Apnea and Diabetes

Post by xenablue » Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:16 am

chunkyfrog wrote:I check my blood sugar every morning upon arising.
My diet the day before has a more immediate effect than my quality of sleep.
With good sleep, I can do better the next day.

chunkyfrog - works the exact same way with me. Also, if I exercise - even a 30-minute walk - it shows in a positive way on my BG meter for the next 24-hours, so sleep probably has the same delayed effect whether it's good or bad. Now you've given me reason for some more experimenting.

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Post by chunkyfrog » Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:24 am

I take the extended release metformin--fewer side effects.
I had to shop around to find a pharmacy that carries the generic made by SunPharma.
They are way smaller than all the other generics I've seen.
Those pills are HUGE. Do they think I'm a HORSE?

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Re: Relationship Between Apnea and Diabetes

Post by -tim » Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:24 am

There seems to be some connection between low artery flexibility and diabetes but at this point I think the research consists of footnotes on research reports.

As you monitor your sugar, try to keep an eye out for fructose vs glucose rations. In white sugar they are 1:1 but they seem to be tilting on the fructose side over the last few decades. I posted a link to a 90 min video on a post a few days ago if you want to hear a medical research talk about it for over an hour.

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Re: Relationship Between Apnea and Diabetes

Post by avi123 » Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:41 am

You can't cure Diabetes type II. But you can control it depending in what stage you're. Taking Metformin means that your stage is a Pre-Diabetes. The next stage would be borderline for which you"ll take Rx like Actos 30 mg daily, like I do, and then you'll need to be blood tested monthly for A1C. This is a non fasting test. At that stage you'll need to forget about eating cookies, and other sugary baked food. If this value would creep higher the next stage is taking Insulin.

IMO, as Guest mentioned above, you could learn much more by Googeling your above sentence: Relationship Between Sleep Apnea and Diabetes.

p.s. By not revealing your age and gender (and weight in this case) you'r blocking lots of info that could have helped you. Sorry about it.

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Re: Relationship Between Apnea and Diabetes

Post by soundersfootballclub » Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:19 am

sleepyguy1 wrote:

First, I know that sleep apnea causes tiredness, which decreases exercise, which causes weight gain, which causes diabetes, so I know that.
Sorry to hear. You pretty much nailed it above. It's also believed being tired slows your metabolism which makes it easier for you to gain weight. Another big factor is supposedly our eating habits change when we are tired as well.

What is your BMI?

I bet if you worked on your diet you could decrease or eliminate diabetes. Isn't that preferable to taking drugs?

Get your weight down by what you eat not by exercise. You can run an hour and eat a cookie and negate the calories you burned. Weight training for muscle is way more beneficial since muscle absorbs fat.

It's all about eating less, cutting out white foods, sugar, and all simple carbs in my opinion. I'm assuming you have been reading up on high glycemic foods and eliminating them from your diet?

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Re: Relationship Between Apnea and Diabetes

Post by avi123 » Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:03 pm

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Sorry to hear that diabetes 2 could be reversed.

Check this:

There's no cure for type 2 diabetes, but you can manage — or even prevent — the condition. Start by eating well, exercising and maintaining a healthy weight. If diet and exercise aren't enough to control your type 2 diabetes, you may need diabetes medications or insulin therapy to manage your blood sugar.

Source:

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/type-2 ... es/DS00585

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Re: Relationship Between Apnea and Diabetes

Post by 2flamingos » Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:08 pm

avi123 wrote:You can't cure Diabetes type II. But you can control it depending in what stage you're. Taking Metformin means that your stage is a Pre-Diabetes. The next stage would be borderline for which you"ll take Rx like Actos 30 mg daily, like I do, and then you'll need to be blood tested monthly for A1C. This is a non fasting test. At that stage you'll need to forget about eating cookies, and other sugary baked food. If this value would creep higher the next stage is taking Insulin.

IMO, as Guest mentioned above, you could learn much more by Googeling your above sentence: Relationship Between Sleep Apnea and Diabetes.

p.s. By not revealing your age and gender (and weight in this case) you'r blocking lots of info that could have helped you. Sorry about it.
This post has me a bit confused. My understanding is that if your blood glucose is at a certain level, you are considered diabetic. At that point, you are put on medication - such as Metformin (which is the drug insurance companies usually require to be prescribed first). If the initial dosing of Metformin does not control you blood glucose, it is either increase; another medication added; or a change in medication altogether. If oral medications do not control it, then you are put on insulin.

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